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MIL told children I drank when I was pregnant

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IndieRo · 27/11/2020 12:16

So exactly as the title says. My mil told my DD's that I drank alcohol on one of my daughters and that's why she wasn't born as big as her sister. This is an absolute lie, I never drank alcohol on any of my children. I only really started to have the occasional drink when my youngest was 2, I was 32 at that stage. This all happened about 10 weeks ago.My daughters visited mil as she lives around the corner, DD's are 10 and 12. They came home and said, "Mammy, nanny said you drank on Dd2. My DH immediately rang his mother and really let her have it. Mil said we took it wrong and that we were the problem. DH said she was to apologise to me and that he could not let the children visit until she apologised. She has not apologised and our DC have not seen or spoken to her since. They want to see her and I feel so bad for them but mil has form. Far too much to write here but she has always thrown snide comments at me when DH wasn't around. In the last 4 years DH has seen her true colours and let's her away with nothing now. I just don't know what to do. I feel bad for keeping the children from her but it's also not OK for her to tell lies about me. What do I do?

Oh and just as a disclaimer, I was incredibly ill on DD2 with spd and then swine flu so lost my appetite so my diet wasn't as god as when I had DD1 but DD2 still weighed 9lbs 7 and was and is perfectly healthy.

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Topseyt · 27/11/2020 13:08

She has demonstrated very clearly that not only is she a liar, she also can't be trusted.

I think you have a conversation with your children about it. Maybe find out what else she may have said if you can persuade them to tell you, and explain why you will not be allowing unsupervised visits for the foreseeable future

She won't apologise. I very much doubt it anyway. Perhaps she didn't expect that your children would be loyal to you and tell you what she said about the drinking whilst pregnant, so has been caught on the hop now that her lies have been exposed.

Jocasta2018 · 27/11/2020 13:15

I'm sorry but your MiL is not someone to be considered healthy or safe in her actions.
Your children are old enough to have it explained MiL has done something completely unforgivable to the entire family and you all can't see her anymore as it would not be safe.

IndieRo · 27/11/2020 13:15

@justasking111, I'm so glad you got away from your toxic mother. How can one person be such a drain on a family. My DH fully supports the kids not seeing her as he is the one who told her. He is sick of her too. My DH very close to his Dad though. Mind you and your family Flowers

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Aloethere · 27/11/2020 13:25

@Jocasta2018

I'm sorry but your MiL is not someone to be considered healthy or safe in her actions. Your children are old enough to have it explained MiL has done something completely unforgivable to the entire family and you all can't see her anymore as it would not be safe.
You see this to me is a complete over reaction. What she has done is no 'safe'? My kids are a year older than yours and honestly I would just roll my eyes and tell them nanny is getting old and losing some of her faculties. Sometimes she can make things up so if she ever says anything that makes you feel any type of way come talk to me and I will always tell you the truth. My children know that my mother is a bit of witch so we take whatever she says with a pinch of salt and have a laugh about it. Everyone has that one mad relative that they know not to take too seriously. I don't think this has to escalate into a big family feud with talks of nanny not being safe to be around.
TheCrowsHaveEyes · 27/11/2020 13:27

How do the DCs feel about it? I agree with you keeping them at home until MIL apologises but they might feel they are to blame for splitting the family because if they hadn't told you about it, they'd still be able to see gran. I think you need to address this with them. That it isn't their fault. That they were right to tell, etc.

I find it a little odd that you justified yourself by saying you didn't take an occasional drink till the DC were two. Obviously that has no impact on birth weight or size but it made me wonder if MIL has commented on your drinking before.

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 27/11/2020 13:30

My parents exposed us to a toxic grandparent and it is horrible. Just because she is related to your Dh and therefore your children does not mean she has to have a role in their life.

What she said was cruel and meant to drive a wedge between you and your children. It was cold, calculated and manipulative.

There have been instances with relatives over the years but my sons know our side of the story because I have seen first hand how history was rewritten following a death where that person could not say that is a complete lie.

I think at 10 and 12 they are old enough to have it pointed out that you do not see her. You would just have to say she isn't very nice to you. At the age your children are they can easily draw a comparison from school where they will know a child who is nice to X but awful to Y. I would explain that up until this point their Nanny has been kind to them but that comment was intended to hurt you. I don't see why your MIL should be protected from the truth of what she said and why she said it.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 27/11/2020 13:34

@TheCrowsHaveEyes

How do the DCs feel about it? I agree with you keeping them at home until MIL apologises but they might feel they are to blame for splitting the family because if they hadn't told you about it, they'd still be able to see gran. I think you need to address this with them. That it isn't their fault. That they were right to tell, etc.

I find it a little odd that you justified yourself by saying you didn't take an occasional drink till the DC were two. Obviously that has no impact on birth weight or size but it made me wonder if MIL has commented on your drinking before.

This. Both points.
IndieRo · 27/11/2020 13:36

@TheCrowsHaveEyes, my children have not asked to see Nanny since it happened until today. My DD2 said she wanted to see her. They know the reason why they can't see her as they were there when DH rang his mother about it. I grew up in a house with secrets so I have always told my children to tell me anything and that we can fix anything together. I said that I didn't drink until my youngest was 2 because its totally absurb for mil to say I drank when I never touched a drop. That's why her comment is so hurtful. This is the only comment mil has made about my drinking.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/11/2020 13:38

If a relative is too toxic/difficult/batshit for YOU to deal with, its the SAME deal for your kids too. Protect your children from your MIL; even your DH has the measure of her finally. Let him deal with her. You do not have to and nor should your kids.

Children do need grandparents BUT emotionally healthy ones. His mother is not a safe person to be around and will continue to fill your kids heads with nonsense.

You are the parent. You get to make these decisions without apology or excessive justification. You can assure your childewn that you are making a wise and loving decision for them as well as yourself. I am not going to script what you should say because you are the only one who knows your children, but you must convey that this isn't up for negotiation. This is not a decision that the child gets to make. Yes, children usually love their grandparents. Children are often quite indiscriminate in their love which is why they need parents to guide them. Not every person is safe to have around and this is a good time to teach that important life lesson. The more matter-of-fact you are, the more matter-of-fact your children will be. When we act hysterical, they will usually reflect our hysteria. If you act anxious, they will act anxious. If you appear unsure, they will push. Model the reaction and attitude you want your children to adopt.

If you have another set of grandparents in the picture then focus on them. It is rare that both sets of grandparents are nasty. Emphasize to your children how much we enjoy being around grandma and grandpa so-and-so (the decent and loving grandparents). Cultivate your children's relationship with the decent, loving grandparents. Teach your children to be grateful for the decent, loving grandparents. Gratitude is a highly effective antidote to loss. Focus them on what they have, not what they don't have. Model that attitude of gratitude.

You will find that the children will eventually stop mentioning the loss of the toxic grandparent if you are not bringing it up. If you are talking about her in the hearing of your children then you are inviting them to keep talking about it, too. I can not over-emphasize the need for your explanation to a younger child to be calm, pragmatic, measured and short. Long explanations make you look defensive which will tend to peak the interest of the child and prompt him to push the issue. You can gauge what is appropriate information depending on the age of the child. If the child is older and has experienced or witnessed the grandparent's nastiness in action then you can say more.

Young children are not known for their long attention spans. This works in your favor. With younger children you have the advantage of distraction. It is easy enough to get the child's mind off onto another track. Every parent has done the distraction routine at one time or another. "Mommy, I want to see Nasty Nan today!" "Honey, we aren't going to see Nasty Nan today because we get to go to the park and eat ice cream." (Make up fun time on the spot if necessary for this distraction.) "Yay!!" says the kid and off we go. Subject changed, kid distracted. In time, Nasty Nan will fade from memory. Any bonding that may have occurred will dissipate in the process of time.

Remember, you are the parent. You're older and therefore more experienced which is the point of being the parent. The child is dependent on your good sense and protective wisdom. You're smarter than your child; use that to your advantage (such as using the distraction method). You are the final authority. This is not a negotiable issue. Your children do not get to decide on this one because they lack the understanding, wisdom, experience and good sense that, hopefully, you have. So don't look like you're unsure or open to quibble. You'll undermine yourself if you look anything but firm and resolved on it. Use your advantages as parent to smooth the effects of the cut-off. Over time this will all quiet down. Kids tend to accept what is. It will happen more quickly if you follow the above advice.

Most of all, do not operate from a fearful mindset. Don't be afraid of your children's possible, or actual, reactions. Don't be afraid that you are depriving them of something important by cutting off a set of grandparents. You are only "depriving" them of bad things. Reassure yourself with that truth. Family is not everything. Blood is not binding. What should connect us is how we treat each other with love and respect. This is always a good lesson to teach our little ones. If any part of you is unsure of your decision then, for Pete's sake, don't show it. Your resoluteness will go a long way toward reassuring your children that you are acting in everyone's best interest. If your children know that you love them, they are going to feel reassured that this decision is also based in your love for them. They will find an added sense of security to know that you, as their parent, are willing to protect them even at the cost of your relationship with your own parent(s). Rather than being fearful, see the plentiful opportunities in this. You are protecting your children from someone whom you've experienced as being abusive; you are reassuring your children that you are in charge and are watchful for their best interests (creates deep sense of security); you can teach healthy family values which include that family doesn't get a pass for abusive behaviour; you can strengthen and reinforce the healthy relationships in your extended family. Kids are less likely to feel like there is a void in their life if you fill it with good things.

Cutting off from his mother here is a good thing. No need to act otherwise. Your children will sense it is a good thing by how you behave. Model how you want them to respond and it is likely they will imitate. Don't be afraid of their questions. Kids are amazingly resilient and well-equipped to handle truth. Parents are supposed to protect their progeny. If your child doesn't agree with how you go about that don't worry. They will often disagree with your decisions for their best interests. Nothing new there. It is your job as parent to make the tough decisions. If you know it is the right decision then proceed with confidence. Showing confidence is a quality of leadership. As a parent you are supposed to be a leader. Lead...and they will likely follow.

Do read "Toxic Inlaws" by Susan Forward here to further understand the power and control dynamic.

AlwaysCheddar · 27/11/2020 13:38

Keep your kids away from her. She does not adore them - if she did, she wouldn’t say you drank and made your daughter short. Nasty.

GabsAlot · 27/11/2020 13:41

i dont see why you shojld feel bad for stopping them see her-they have to know in life you cant just say what you want about someone and not suffer consequences

how long till she starts lieing about them

HollyandIvyandallthingsYule · 27/11/2020 13:44

Well she’s an absolute cow isn’t she.

I hope you told your children that their grandmother lies and they’re not to believe everything she says.

justasking111 · 27/11/2020 13:46

[quote IndieRo]@justasking111, I'm so glad you got away from your toxic mother. How can one person be such a drain on a family. My DH fully supports the kids not seeing her as he is the one who told her. He is sick of her too. My DH very close to his Dad though. Mind you and your family Flowers[/quote]
But his dad is an enabler, something I did not understand for years which is a different kind of toxicity.

jreidtherapy.com/unprotected-from-narcissistic-abuse-by-the-enabler-parent/

narcissistfamilyfiles.com/2018/09/10/enabling-the-narcissist-how-and-why-it-happens/

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/11/2020 13:53

''If a relative is too toxic/difficult/batshit for YOU to deal with, its the SAME deal for your kids too. Protect your children from your MIL; even your DH has the measure of her finally. Let him deal with her. You do not have to and nor should your kids.''

''Children do need grandparents BUT emotionally healthy ones. His mother is not a safe person to be around and will continue to fill your kids heads with nonsense.''

Excellent advice from AttilaTheMeerkat.

It is your MIL's choice to not see your daughters - not apologising to you is more important to her than seeing them and their happiness. Always remember that. That she chooses not to see them would confirm to me that the right thing to do is to protect my daughters from her. Children want things that adults know they shouldn't have. Your MIL is one of those things.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/11/2020 13:53

My parents exposed us to a toxic grandparent and it is horrible. Just because she is related to your Dh and therefore your children does not mean she has to have a role in their life

Same here.

It damaged me and my siblings, our relationships with our parents, and our relationships with each other (she will likely eventually start the "divide and conquer" strategy with them to, to manipulate them more easily

Nip it in the bud now.

NewlyGranny · 27/11/2020 13:54

Your DC just need to be told that you are keeping their grandmother away from them to keep them safe. That is what it boils down to, doesn't it?

If she poisoned their bodies by feeding them toxins, you wouldn't hesitate to stop them going to her house. She's feeding their minds toxins and that's just as bad.

SilverBirchWithout · 27/11/2020 13:55

It’s a difficult one. I can see why you both made the decision to stop the children visiting MIL, she sounds toxic and it’s good DH has your back.
She doesn’t deserve a relationship with the children and certainly should apologise to you personally.
However because your DC are asking to see her it now must feel to you in some way they are being punished/disadvantaged because of MILs toxic behaviour.
The question is on balance ‘how positive for them is their relationship with MIL?’ If the answer is generally positive, maybe your DH could contact his mother and suggest ‘as a trial’ they start visiting her again for their sake. He needs to make it clear any further comments/attitude from her will mean complete NC. Is it possible for him to be present for visits? Explain to the children why you are doing this, making it clear that their relationship is important to you.
If you feel on balance the relationship your children have is not that important to them leave it as it is.

My own mother was pretty toxic, she frequently commented on my parenting style however my DS loved her and benefited from their relationship. She died before he was 10, so I’m not sure how I would have felt as he became older and more aware of her comments about me.

SpaceOp · 27/11/2020 13:55

I don't really understand why you allow your children to have a relationship with such a toxic person but I guess it can be difficult to withdraw completely. However, I would be making it clear to the DC that granny doesn't have a clue, says lots of silly things and really, shouldn't be listened to. My MIL isn't toxic, but she has form for being a bit paranoid/irrational and if this comes to the children I refuse to cover for her and just say that she's being silly but she is the way she is and we can't change her now.

endofthelinefinally · 27/11/2020 14:02

My MIL adored her grandchildren too, well, not so much the one that looked more like me (mixed race), but she hated me so much she just couldn't help herself with the manipulation and undermining. She did an awful lot of damage to the child that was her favourite.
You need to protect your children OP.

diddl · 27/11/2020 14:03

Never heard the expression "on" used in this way before.

Every day is a school day!

I think it's difficult to just cut contact when there is a relationship already there.

And if she ever apologises-then what?

But ultimately, your daughter's aren't losing out by not seeing someone who is snide & tells lies about their mum!

2bazookas · 27/11/2020 14:14

DH is right.

Explain to DD's why . Granny said something untrue to hurt our family and needs to admit she was wrong and say sorry. We're waiting for her to put it right. When she does, you can see her again.

 They are quite old enough to understand consequences.
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 27/11/2020 14:21

Its one thing to say that you drank, when it wasn't true, but quite another to imply to your daughter that your drinking affected her health.. that's a whole other level.
I once had an in law ring up for a "friendly" chat, asking about my family and various health problems. One of our DC was having at the time, they then announced "we've never had anything like that in our family, so it must have come from YOU!" .As if deciding I was genetically to blame, was the most helpful contribution they could make when we were so worried about DC. God knows if they've ever said that to my DC or not but I'd be furious if she did.

The good thing is that your DH is on your side and believes you and is demonstrating that faith to your DD, really helps. He's standing up for you which is much better than just ignoring it, and will hopefully nip it in the bud.

TheRubyRedshoes · 27/11/2020 14:21

how can you genuinely adore people then want to destroy their relations with their parent?

just fade her out - and visit with supervision.

Ultimatecougar · 27/11/2020 14:23

I would go so far as to say that no, children don't need grandparents. I had no grandparents growing up because they were dead. This isn't that uncommon.

squeekums · 27/11/2020 14:35

She sounds nasty
Id be cutting all contact, permanently

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