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Schools not fundraising for children in need

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elliejjtiny · 13/11/2020 17:24

Is it just my dc's schools or are lots of schools doing it? This year both my dc's schools have announced that they are not fundraising for children in need this year. Older dc's secondary school is raising money for the local foodbank. Younger dc's primary school is raising money for a local project that is providing lunches for children who get free school meals during the school holidays.

Just wondering if other schools are doing similar? From a selfish point of view I am a bit worried about what will happen if children in need get a lot less money this year as we benefit personally from children in need.

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PamDenick · 13/11/2020 18:31

We are on our knees in schools.

PamDenick · 13/11/2020 18:31

Did I hea r that if Lewis Hamilton pays his taxes there would be no need for CIN?

onemouseplace · 13/11/2020 18:32

Our school hasn't done any fundraisers this year so far, and they normally do.

They've still managed to have two bloody dress up days though.

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Sittinbythesea · 13/11/2020 18:34

CIN has a rather obligatory feel about - it’s assumed that all schools will take part automatically. IMO each school should put a bit of thought into which charities they support, not just do the big media ones with all the publicity. I particularly dislike the way CIN exploits ‘pester power’ and peer pressure as a fundraising method - relying on the fact that kids don’t want to be left out to raise money for, er, kids. Children from low income families are either going to giving money that can’t afford or feeling left out. Not to mention selling loads of single use tat!

badlydrawnbear · 13/11/2020 18:38

DC's school has never (in the 5 years that DC1 has been there) done anything for CinN. I don't know why. They have done an own clothes day this term for the local children's hospice. They are doing Odd Socks Day on Monday, but it is to raise awareness of anti-bullying and does not require a donation.

GameSetMatch · 13/11/2020 18:38

Our school did ‘crazy hair’ day £1 per pupil, but it’s the first year we have ever done anything for children in need.

SciFiScream · 13/11/2020 18:39

Our school follows CPAG cost of the school day guidelines. So events like this are kept easy to access and affordable to give to (20p/50p donation). In my area 5,000 children are in poverty, 2,500 are relying on the food bank and 1 in 4 families are in WORKING poverty.

Giving to CiN is low down our list of priorities. We support one or two charities a year and it's led by the pupils.

Graphista · 13/11/2020 18:40

CIN lost its way some years ago, it doesn't help as many as it claims due to bloated bureaucracy and the methods smaller charities receive their funds from them, the organisations and people it's donated/donating to are under considerable and justified criticism in some cases (and conspicuously absent from the heart string tugging videos they play throughout, which are just one or 2 examples of those receiving help played on repeat) plus of course the revelation that Wogan was paid for presenting it and I'm not convinced that other presenters and "stars" weren't also, plus of course it's a great opportunity for them to plug their wares and boost sales so their appearances are far from totally altruistic anyway.

I've been very uncomfortable with the organisation for many years, I was criticised for this initially but now most of my friends and family feel the same and local schools don't always participate in fund raising.

Plus I'm in a deprived areas and the fund raising is frankly insulting as most of the families around here are more in need of receiving support than giving it.

Fund raising methods where it's obvious if a poor child has been unable to donate and therefore participate - eg uniform free days where a donation is required to participate - are patently unjust and often a precursor to or encourage bullying

To push for donations from families who've been particularly hard hit by this years events I think is tone deaf and seriously dubious.

I know the argument will be that means there's more families in need but I really don't feel CIN are as good or effective as they claim.

How do you benefit personally op? Ah ok, well are they not a charity in themselves that people could donate to? Although to be honest I personally feel such things should be at least partially state supported as they are arguably important for your ds development. Plus the amount donated to cin when you remove admin costs your club could probably receive more in terms of money actually available to use if it were directly donated. Plus there's no guarantee CIN will keep funding it, the grants are reviewed annually I believe? Certainly they make it clear future funding is not guaranteed and the events of this year could mean they decide to fund other projects instead of yours - what happens to ds club then?

Personally I prefer to donate to charities with specific causes close to my heart and who have a better record with admin costs and more ethical behaviour

@LER83 you're in that fortunate position what about other children attending the school yours are with such frequent events who are from poorer families? I've been in that position and I'd be worried and pissed off at such frequent demands on my limited budget! Especially ones like Christmas jumper day which is problematic for a number of reasons.

The recipients are supposedly children personally I think it odd to expect the donors (via their parents) to be mostly children too.

I just think there are many, better charities one could donate to and that people should exercise their choice in which causes they support.

Schools running fund raising events that can easily lead to marking poorer children out as "other" is in my opinion not what any decent charity, especially one that supposedly centres children, does.

eeyore228 · 13/11/2020 18:42

Our school didn’t. And tbh I was relieved. There’s always something and I’ve personally lost £120 a month because of Covid. Not all families qualify for help like free school meals or rent etc. I’ve got no family to help if I needed it. If I have spare cash I’ll happily give it, CIN do very well every year but this year has impacted a lot of people badly.

Slowlygoingcrackersagain · 13/11/2020 18:46

Yes we had CIN mufti today. No pressure on parents to put their kids in anything other than non school uniform. Most dress up anyway, others just wear jeans etc... We are a tiny school of 30 kids and raised a whopping £175. We don’t stipulate an amount to donate and it seems from experience that that results in larger donations.

TheCanyon · 13/11/2020 18:52

Our school didn't even mention it this year, though our dc have school holidays yesterday and today. Is it on a bit earlier this year?

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 13/11/2020 18:55

We did the online just giving page. It has done quite well.

HappyPumpkin81 · 13/11/2020 18:56

My nursery has had dress up week for Halloween, wear red and bring a donation for Poppy Day and today was bring a £1 and wear PJ's. Luckily my daughter did not go to nursery today because I am really pissed off. At £50 a day where do they think people are getting the extra money to shell out for this crap!

MrsJunglelow · 13/11/2020 18:57

I know you benefit from the funds for your DSs club which is lovely but personally I despise Children in need.

I think that for the BBC it’s little more than a publicity stunt to make them look good.
I don’t for one second think the BBC actually care at all for children.
If they did, there wouldn’t be such massive and long lasting covered up child sex abuse scandals there over such a long period of time.

I think there is a definate element of playing ‘white saviour’ and aims to further one’s career with the whole rich white celebrity travels to poor black community, taking photographs with all the kids thing.

In fact, I think a large part of it is virtue signalling.
I find it odd that one day a year everyone is out gathering donations/sponsors to shave their head, sit in beans etc to help the children and yet, these same people are often very outspoken about stopping migrants, many of them children, from accessing this country where they would be safe.
Suddenly no one seems to care about these children who are being shot at, drowning, starving, losing their parents etc.
These same people often don’t ever volunteer to help children, nor do they donate or campaign/protest about issues like poverty or trafficking or war.
But boy are they quick to criticise anyone who doesn’t donate or sponsor CIN.
It seems to me they simply want to look good and don’t really care very much for the children.

Another poster mentioned it and it angers me too and that is the blatant shaming of the poor.
We know that many families in the UK are struggling to make ends meet, going without so their children can eat etc.
So why are they being guilt tripped into donating money they don’t have?
Demonised for not giving ‘just a pound’ or ‘just a fiver’ or ‘just a tenner’.
It’s wrong.

I think that like all massive charities, a significant proportion of those huge donations do not go where are they needed and in common with other huge, and stinking rich charities and organisations, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if there are some murky goings on similar to the scandals that hit Oxfam.

I would like to see instead more donations and help for smaller, less corrupt charities/organisations who most likely aren’t out for themselves and misspending donations giving hundreds of thousands to CEOs and pittance to those in need.
More volunteering and campaigning and concern year round, not one day a year.

itsgettingweird · 13/11/2020 18:57

Ours did it but fundraising was via just giving or something which I think will mean less donations than kids bringing in cash?

But safer obviously!

Waxonwaxoff0 · 13/11/2020 19:02

DS's school did non uniform day for £1. It's hard because all the things they normally do (cake sales, talent show) obviously can't happen this year.

Pascha · 13/11/2020 19:05

Our school joined in the Joe Wicks thing so they all went in sports clothes.

Sweettea1 · 13/11/2020 19:06

Younger dc school asked for a food donation which will go back to the food bank that has given food parcels out to parents of the school. Older child school sold chocolate bars that had been donated by families an the money will go to children in need.

EasilyDepleted · 13/11/2020 19:10

One did one didn't (both secondary). I send a small donation but in general don't support CIN, I'd rather give directly to charities of my own choice and cut out the middle man and I dislike the whole "obligatory" feel of it. As for the show on TV, it is just awful.

Numberblock7 · 13/11/2020 19:12

“Wear something colourful or patterned if you would like to, if anyone wants to donate the headteacher on the gate is happy to receive coins in her basket.” The youngest children coloured in Pudsey pictures. Very low key, would be very easy not to pay anything without anyone noticing (the gate is very wide!), children enjoyed it.

Dinosauraddict · 13/11/2020 19:13

DS's nursery did a pj day for CiN today and everyone took in a £1 donation. They also collected for the local food bank all throughout Oct and did Jeans for Genes in Sept (another £1 donation). Seems to be one charitable cause a month atm. This is fine for us (aside from the fact we don't keep cash so had to go to bank) but I'm sure they wouldn't make a fuss if a parent couldn't contribute.

Wowcherarestalkingme · 13/11/2020 19:13

DS’s school didn’t. He is in reception so I don’t know what happens normally but I know it was mentioned that the poppy selling was the priority this year.

endofthelinefinally · 13/11/2020 19:16

Children in Need is a virtue signalling, very expensive, gravy train.
So is Comic Relief.
If schools really cared about real children in need they would do a little bit of research into local charities that actually help children.
Or, they would raise money for the school so that their local children can benefit.
I volunteered in my local school for years. I volunteered in youth groups, raised money for local charities, volunteered for cancer support groups. I have no patience with CIN, CR and the BBC.

BramblyHedge · 13/11/2020 19:17

Ours didn’t but may be because half the years are isolating

feellikeanalien · 13/11/2020 19:18

DDs primary school pupil council decided to donate to a local charity instead and will be having a non uniform day next week. It has been made clear that while donations are very welcome it is not a condition of wearing non uniform.

It is not compulsory to donate to CIN and although I am sure there are good things that they do there are also a lot of small local charities who would benefit just as much if not more.

You can't give to every charity and I do feel that there is an element of "oh how terrible not to donate to CIN". It's not because people don't care it's usually that they would rather not give to a massive organisation where a local charity would benefit more directly and you can be sure that your donation is not going to fund all the "administration" involved in a large charity organisation.