Would you attend a peaceful protest if a convicted paedophile moved into your street?

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I’ve never attended anything similar before and I’m in two minds about going. He was convicted (I’ve read the newspaper articles which show his photo) and has been released after serving half his sentence. I don’t know if he owns the property but he’s moved in with his wife who stood by him. There’s a peaceful protest being arranged. Would you go?

NickNacky Im not sure which post you are referring to, sorry.

I have said I dont know the solution, but I would protest at having a convicted sex offended in my street.

Apparently thats not sensible, but your solution I personally should give up my career to join the police is? Really?

PheasantPlucker1 It’s always an option to people if they want to try make change. Or the alternative is that you leave the policing to them if you aren’t willing to do it yourself, which is what I said.

You could apply to be a special, you don’t need to give up your career.

NickNacky lets say I join the police.

Will I be tasked with upheaving the whole system and putting in place a new way of dealing with sex offenders so they dont pose a threat to our community?

Of course not. The issue is not with individual police officers, its the system as a whole that needs change.

PheasantPlucker1 So why not concentrate your efforts at looking at how you can make change, if you feel so passionate that the systems have to change?

I do. I work in a school. I work with a huge amount of children, many of whom have been affected and do my (inadequate) best to help them.

Thats what Im good at. Not policing.

That does not mean I wouldnt protest at a convicted sex offender in my street.

Maybe @PheasantPlucker1 wants sex offenders to line in a twilight world line those ghettoised in the Stacey Dooley documentary?

Yes aridane that is exactly what I said.

Thankyou for your intelligence and wit. I dont know what us uneducated fools would do without our morally superior betters articulating what we mean so elequently.

But PheasantPlucker1 those children in your school you are trying to help could well be like @Itscontroversial children (and to you, Its). The vigilante mob (which I'm guessing was initially framed as a 'peaceful protest') led to her children remaining in danger rather than made safer by allowing the case to proceed.

So you attending a 'peaceful protest' which develops into mob action could lead to the children you're trying to help actually being in greater danger. Note, I'm saying 'could' not 'will'.

In my previous career I was responsible at times for re-housing paedophiles, as I recall we were meticulous in multi agency planning to ensure we minimised community risk as much as possible.

By the way, for those interested in the absolute mess the legal system is in this country would do well to read the Secret Barrister's two books.

@Puzzledandpissedoff that article is 8 years old.

Myrtle if you read my posts you can see I have already answered that, and it was vigilantes who led to the arrest and then later removal of the local peadophile.

Again, not that Im condoning them. Its the whole system needs change.

PheasentPlucker1 You are so blinkered and you know very little about the investigation in which you refer to.

NickNacky the judge disagreed with you but please, carry on.

Tell me more about the investigation I was involved in.

Tell me when it was. Where. Any ideas? No. But you know so much more than me, dont you.

PheasantPlucker1 If you want to prove you have comprehension skills then read my post again. You don’t know in detail, about the investigation as you weren’t on it. Regardless as to what criticism the judge had.

I know the judge heavily critisised the police for their repeated failings, and the lead (Im not sure if the correct term) officer was demoted after. I know we, and others, recieved a worthless apology.

I havent claimed to know more.

NickNacky I have asked this before and recieved no response.

What is your solution?
If someone came to you and said what a PP said, that they had young children felt uncomfortable playing in there own garden as a convicted sex offender was watching them, what would your advice be?

PheasantPlucker1 Frankly I don’t know why I’m wasting my time with replying, yet here I am.

I’m in no doubt investigations can be fucked up, especially large and complex ones.

However. My original point was your criticism that the police knew where he was and didn’t arrest him. Now, I can only speak for Scotland but you are aware that I could go to a suspects house and they could wave at me through the window shouting “cooooeee here I am” and unless I have a warrant that allowed me to force entry or powers under common law, then I can’t go in and get them?

PleasantPlucker1 You haven’t asked me that before?

What advice do you think I could give? Unless he is committing an offence or breaching his SOPO or release conditions then there wouldn’t be much the police could do.

BananaPop2020 Would possibly be able to answer from a probation point of view.

Of course.

I asked before and you ignored the question. If that person was still actively abusing children, and there was evidence of this which was given to the police on a regular basis, how long do you think should people wait before taking the law into their own hands?

that article is 8 years old

That's why I remarked about "no matter what timescale ..."

I guess it could be suggested that everything's changed in the meantime and that parents can now be confident of their childrens' safety with offenders living in the community, but I'm afraid I very much doubt it

And what about those like my late neighbour's son, who slip the system entirely by leaving the country - in this case to a holiday resort in Spain and then to Thailand of all places? It's not a simple situation, I know, but had he remained in jail where he belongs he couldn't have done that

NickNacky do you understand why people may feel angry and frustrated in that situation, and feel they had to resort to protests?

Im not asking if you agree with their actions or condone them, just if you understand why they feel that way.

PheasantPlucker1 If you are going to accuse me of ignoring you, then please let me know what time you posted your question and I will go back and try and understand how I missed it if you tagged me in it.

Now you are asking stupid, unanswerable questions. Let me ask you this then, how long do you give the police to investigate before you would send the vigilantes in?

PheasantPluckers1 Oh I understand why they do it. They are clueless, want involved in the drama and don’t care who gets hurt in the process. A poster up thread did say it’s sad if others get killed but it’s for the grater good. To sum up, they are numpties.

Two years.

It was two years before those "clueless uneducated drama loving idots", as you call them, got involved.

Thank god CPS and the judge didnt agree with your conclusions.

PheasantPlucker1 I would have more respect for your viewpoint if you didn’t keep accusing me of saying things I haven’t. I haven’t once called them “uneducated” and you do realise if you use quotation marks then that means you are quoting me? At least quote me correctly.

@Nicknacky, is this the question of what could be done if a RSO was watching children play (from his residence)?

If yes, the answer is, as you rightly say, nothing. It is not an offence. I can’t think of any SHPO (Or licence) that I have ever seen that prohibits someone from looking out of a window. There might be an opportunity to speak to someone about their behaviour, and how this will be construed in terms of risk, but that’s about it.