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What do other nationalities think of the British

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Baggingarea · 28/10/2020 19:06

For non UK MNers, what are your general impressions of the British?

I was watching a documentary recently and a Spanish man said our houses are all dirty. I'd never heard that before but can see why someone might think that with muddy weather etc etc.

What do you think about us? Promise I won't be offended (no racism/sexism/general bigotry though please). Can't vouch for others though.

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FatimaMunchy · 29/10/2020 21:12

MikeUniformMike that makes sense.

Acappella · 29/10/2020 21:19

@Elcantador

Another thing i still cant get my head around is class based language. I have no idea what class one belongs to or how to tell, and therefore have no idea whether to say pardon or not. As i mentioned before, i work as a nanny so part of my job is teaching good manners. Years ago i was asked by a parent , very nicely, to stop teaching his child to say pardon. 'What' should be used instead. I was under the impression that i was being polite saying pardon. Growing up i would have been told off for saying what as it was consideted impolite. So this i struggled with a bit, and it made me question my own vocabulary ( do i walk around making such mistakes all the time without realising?!) I find 'what' kinda short-tempered- sounding, and i cant bring myself to say it. I jst say sorry. Also loo vs toilet?

Im sad to read that some feelings are hurt by these comments. OP asked what foreigners thought of Brits so of course we have to think in stereotypes.
Also, disliking certain things about the people or the way they do things does not mean ppl dislike the actual country. It is a great country to live in and love it here. People are much more positive, patient, joyful, open and tolerant than back home.
I am originally from Hungary and there are A LOT more i dislike about my birthcountry and the people than i do about the UK.
And dont even get me started on the government

‘Pardon’ is non-U, as defined semi-jokingly by Nancy Mitford in the 1950s, and while most of the U/non-U distinctions have evaporated — mantelpiece vs chimneypiece, looking glass vs mirror, perfume vs scent— what you say when you didn’t quite hear someone survives as a class shibboleth, like dinner/tea, or serviette/napkin, or lounge/sitting room . Pardon is considered non-U because it’s overly polite, French-derived and dainty, whereas ‘what’ is direct. Jilly Cooper famously overheard her daughter saying to a friend that Mummy thought ‘pardon‘ was a worse word than ‘fuck’.
Zeebeezee · 29/10/2020 21:24

English people are brilliant. Once they know you. That is just so obvious. Same applies to all of us I reckon.

But back to the stereotypes

A bit suspicious of outsiders
A bit tight money wise even if they are financially comfortable. Charity shops are in every High Street and everyone uses them. That's great too.

Have a cup of tea, and that's all you get. Tea, not a lovely biscuit or a bit of cake. Just tea. Well that's just me and my circle maybe. You would be absolutely filled with goodies in Ireland with tea lol!

The class system is unreal.

Teachers don't appear to have much respect. That upsets me a lot.

But overall, as someone who is Irish, British and English are absolutely lovely. But like all forms of life you will always find the idiots, so I avoid them!

Being a bit tight with money is the only thing that I find different TBH.

Oh and put 20 quid in an envelope for a wedding. You would be in the stocks in Ireland for that! LOL. We are all different.

I go to see people, not how clean their floors are!

Never met a dodgy English person yet. All good.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 21:29

Agree with SonjaHeniesTutu, except the last sentenceGrin

LoveFall · 29/10/2020 21:51

When I visit London I am always amazed at the conformity of dress in business. Everyone seems to wear a black suit, like a uniform almost. They also walk very fast holding a cell phone to their ear and clearly being annoyed that me, a tourist, is in the way. I find it entertaining to be honest. It seems so intense.

Perhaps it is just me, coming from the so called laid back "lotus land" as the Westcoast of Canada is called. We wear a lot of yoga pants. Grin

I love the UK. I had to cancel a trip there in May due to Covid. I am officially in withdrawal from M&S prawn mayonnaise sandwiches.

TableFlowerss · 29/10/2020 21:52

Rockpapershoot
I've given birth in the US and the UK and the Uk experience on the NHS might as well have been in a developing nation in fact I've had better care in more modern facilities. British maternity care is shocking. There was no in Labour and delivery and they didn't check this before inducing me, the delivery room was dirty, getting epidural meant waiting hours, back on an ward with dozens of other women and babies with no air con, women who had just had c-sections getting no help lifting their babies.

**The thing is private care in UK would be the better comparison to the US.

The NHS has many failings and needs to be overhauled but at the same time no one is excluded no matter their financial circumstances and for that reason it is stretched to the limit.

It may be great in America IF you're well-off but what about the others? People living on the streets because they went bankrupt paying for cancer treatments**

@lazyfecker

You’re post is bang on! What @Rockpapershoot isn’t factoring in - is it’s not like for like.

Any private UK hospital would be like a hotel and would match any US hospital for treatment, luxury etc... As you point out, the NHS is so overstretched because it’s free!

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 21:53

At school I learnt that in Britain people had breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper. Tea was a drink.
Interesting article from FT:

"We seem to be all over the place in our anxieties about food. One minute we are in a panic over obesity; the next, over super-skinny models. But why be surprised? Some of us are so confused about eating that we are not even sure what our meal times are called.

What, for example, is the name of the evening meal? Is it dinner, supper or tea? And if the answer is “dinner”, why are our children having school dinners in the middle of the day?

Or, to put it another way, if someone invites you to tea, what time do you arrive? And what, if anything, do you expect to eat? Some thinly-cut cucumber sandwiches and a piece of cake or a full-on hot dinner with dessert?

“It’s very complicated, really,” says Colin Spencer, author of British Food: An Extraordinary Thousand Years of History, referring to meal-time terminology. “It always conveys some social distinction. Food is so symbolic of where you believe you are within society.”

Nearly everyone agrees that breakfast is the first meal of the day. The confusion sets in after elevenses or mid-morning coffee and biscuits.

If you are a member of the lower classes or live outside London and the south-east, the midday meal is called dinner and is often the main meal of the day. But for the upper classes and metropolitans, the midday meal is called lunch and is usually quite light unless taken in a restaurant with friends or business associates.

In the evening, the lower classes and northerners come home from work, school or shopping and sit down to another fairly substantial meal called tea at about 6pm. However, the upper classes and southerners eat later and the meal they eat, called dinner, tends to be the main meal of the day.

For all classes and regions, supper usually means a late-night snack or meal, but some people use the term for the early evening meal if they have already had their dinner at midday. Afternoon tea – a pot of tea with sandwiches and cake once enjoyed by upper-class ladies of leisure – has largely died out but lives on in the form of the 4pm tea and biscuits that people of all classes enjoy.

If the system were not complicated enough, schools introduce even more quirks. By custom, at least in the state sector, all schools serve school dinners at midday and call the evening meal tea; so to avoid confusing the children, some parents temporarily adopt the breakfast-dinner-tea terminology even if it goes against their instincts. Another anomaly is that if your children eat the meal the school provides, it is a school dinner, but if they take in their own food, it is a packed lunch.

Another problem arises if the main meal of the day does not coincide with the meal you call dinner. The upper classes, for example, are thrown into turmoil when they find themselves eating their main meal of the day at lunchtime. Is it Sunday dinner or Sunday lunch? Christmas dinner or Christmas lunch?

Not surprisingly, research on meal terminology is a bit thin on the ground but last year, Geest, the fresh food supplier now owned by Iceland’s Bakkavör, did a survey that provided some insights.

Based on a sample of 1,000 Britons, it found that 53 per cent called the main evening meal dinner, 39 per cent called it tea and just 8 per cent called it supper. But within those figures, there was a stark north-south divide. In northern England, 68 per cent of those questioned called the main evening meal tea, but in London, only 5 per cent followed the same custom.

How did the divergence come about? In medieval England, everyone knew you ate breakfast when you rose at daybreak, dinner in the middle of the day and supper just before you went to bed, around sundown.

Things started to change with rising prosperity, urbanisation and industrialisation. The better-off could afford candles and lamps that allowed them to party after dark, and keeping late hours became a status symbol. For these people, dinner – still the main meal of the day – was gradually pushed back until it reached evening.

As writer Sherrie McMillan explained in an article in History Magazine, this posed a problem for early risers such as mothers with children: they faced an enormous gap between breakfast and dinner. So the womenfolk invented a light, midday meal called luncheon to bridge the gap, using a word with a disputed derivation.

Meanwhile, among the lower classes, working people now had to travel to factories to work so their midday meal, still called dinner, consisted of only what they could carry with them. Hungry again by the end of the day, they would have another substantial meal when they arrived home, calling it tea after the drink that accompanied it. Supper remained, for all classes, a bed-time snack.

Could we conceivably rationalise the names of our meals? Perhaps we could agree that dinner is, as it always was, the main meal of the day, usually consisting of more than one course. If eaten at midday, the terminology should be breakfast-dinner-supper, as in medieval times. If eaten in the evening, the terminology should be breakfast-lunch-dinner, on the basis that breakfast-tea-dinner makes no sense at all and to call tea a meal is confusing.

Good. Now, having solved that problem, all we have to agree is what to call the dish that comes after the main course. Is it pudding, sweet or dessert? Or should it be simply afters?"

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 21:58

Interesting about school lunches called dinners. Never heard of it. It's called lunch at my DC' schools and other schools I know.

JoeCalFuckingZaghe · 29/10/2020 22:03

Easily offended as PPs said.

I’m sure if someone started a similar thread with another nationality there would be loads of negative things that are stereotypes and slightly offensive and misguided or untrue.

I think it’s quite interesting. Never heard the dirty house thing. How can we be dirty but weird for asking people to take shoes off though? I don’t but I am dirty Grin

Blueberries0112 · 29/10/2020 22:03

My mom got Medicaid for her breast cancer . a socialize medical care in the US .

But for my husband and I, we avoid going to the ER out of paying over $1000 . We just wait til the next day to see a doctor

My husband had deep skin cancer on the nose and after insurance, we have to pay about $5000. We are paying monthly. Not bad but not good either because we don't have $5000 laying around

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 22:03

Is it pudding, sweet or dessert? Or should it be simply afters? Is it pudding, sweet or dessert

I've heard pudding many times although personally I use word dessert for the course after main meal. I didn't know that pudding means both sweet and savory so not really a dessert then.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 22:05

The link to pudding, dessert or sweet www.etiquetteschool.uk/dessert-or-pudding

Zeebeezee · 29/10/2020 22:07

Call it a meal. All the angst is gone then.

You see these decisions about what to call food is harking back to the upper classes who had maids and all that.

The class divide carries on as we all know. God knows why. Eat breakfast, lunch, dinner or tea and a snack before bed if that is what you want.

But I reckon everyone just does their own thing anyway and calls it food lol.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 22:26

I am interested why does it still matter which hand do I use to hold my knife and fork (was corrected by a few people)? It's obviously a class thing but it's also a 21st century and there is no such thing as wrong hands. Both are hands. I prefer to hold my fork in the right hand as I feel more in control of it.

OwlOne · 29/10/2020 22:56

I think the Spanish do this too. I have a memory of a Spanish lady wincing visibly when I said almuerzo. I think to the refined ear it might sound a bit like ''feed'' (ie animal feed). I'm really doubting myself though.

Magicpaintbrush · 29/10/2020 22:59

I find this thread pretty depressing. Making assumptions about people because of the country they were born in, to the point where some posters suggest it's wiser not to admit to being English when abroad? That's horrible. Plenty of English people are kind and lovely and good hearted, but because of our nationality it's assumed we are ignorant/snobbish/unhygenic/ugly etc etc. As for Brexit, as I recall it was something like 51% to 49% split - nearly half of us voted to stay in the EU and now get thought of as idiots for something so many of us didn't even vote for.

Blueberries0112 · 29/10/2020 23:01

@Magicpaintbrush

I find this thread pretty depressing. Making assumptions about people because of the country they were born in, to the point where some posters suggest it's wiser not to admit to being English when abroad? That's horrible. Plenty of English people are kind and lovely and good hearted, but because of our nationality it's assumed we are ignorant/snobbish/unhygenic/ugly etc etc. As for Brexit, as I recall it was something like 51% to 49% split - nearly half of us voted to stay in the EU and now get thought of as idiots for something so many of us didn't even vote for.
I am American, believe me, a lot of people don't feel this way. The ones who talk like this do the same to other countries as well and even their own communities. Ignore it
chrislilleyswig · 29/10/2020 23:03

@WhatifIfeellikeacat

Interesting about school lunches called dinners. Never heard of it. It's called lunch at my DC' schools and other schools I know.
Served by the dinner lady.
WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 23:25

Yes, served by a dinner lady but during the lunch hour. It's definitely lunch as it's being mentioned in the email reminders etc.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 29/10/2020 23:26

Also a lunch box/bag but never a dinner bag/box.

FarTooSkinny · 29/10/2020 23:30

I did a training course a few years back on working with other cultures and nationalities which was an eye opener. The language of business worldwide is English but to most people it is their second language. The British speak in code and often don't directly say what they mean. To foreigners speaking English as a second language this comes across as being two faced and deceitful. Whereas the British think they are being tactful.

mathanxiety · 29/10/2020 23:36

Plus us is all private not so here

@timeforanewstarttime

@lazyfecker

Not all US healthcare is private. Nearly all states (if not all) offer free ante natal care for women. It's means tested. If you qualify for free ante natal care, you get to choose your HCP from an approved list and you will see that HCP for your entire pregnancy, and they will deliver your baby too. You will go to whatever hospital they have admitting privileges in, and you will deliver in exactly the same maternity wing as paying patients and recover afterwards in a private or semi private room with ensuite shower and loo because most US hospitals offer at least a semi private room to all patients.

I have experienced both 'public' and private maternity care in the US and there was no difference in either the facilities or the excellent nursing care.

There are also county hospital systems (aka public hospitals) and they offer similar accommodation and excellent HCP provision, continuity of care throughout pregnancy and delivery, and no wards full of men and large extended families to contend with afterwards.

Blueberries0112 · 29/10/2020 23:46

And there is VA hospital in the US. My dad got all his healthcare there for free

TableFlowerss · 29/10/2020 23:49

@mathanxiety

Plus us is all private not so here

@timeforanewstarttime

@lazyfecker

Not all US healthcare is private. Nearly all states (if not all) offer free ante natal care for women. It's means tested. If you qualify for free ante natal care, you get to choose your HCP from an approved list and you will see that HCP for your entire pregnancy, and they will deliver your baby too. You will go to whatever hospital they have admitting privileges in, and you will deliver in exactly the same maternity wing as paying patients and recover afterwards in a private or semi private room with ensuite shower and loo because most US hospitals offer at least a semi private room to all patients.

I have experienced both 'public' and private maternity care in the US and there was no difference in either the facilities or the excellent nursing care.

There are also county hospital systems (aka public hospitals) and they offer similar accommodation and excellent HCP provision, continuity of care throughout pregnancy and delivery, and no wards full of men and large extended families to contend with afterwards.

So is that just for maternity care then? Would it be the same level of care if they were poor but had say cancer?
Blueberries0112 · 29/10/2020 23:56

"Would it be the same level of care if they were poor but had say cancer?"

People with cancer usually start out with their own private insurance but when the conditions worsen, they could either go on their spouse insurance and/or apply for disability/SSDI / SSI that comes with Medicaid/medicare.

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