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Do people dress up more in Liverpool?

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 11/10/2020 08:48

Just watching the news and they are reporting on Liverpool re Covid. The footage shows people out in bars and pubs and they are incredibly dressed up, especially the women.

My DC are in their early 20s, so similar age to those being shown. When they and their friends go clubbing they all tend to wear jeans and the women might wear a slightly smarter top but often not.

The report showed women in amazing dresses and heels, plus hair, make up etc all immaculate. Is it a "thing" in Liverpool or is it just that my DC and their friends are ultra scruffy? I live in Cambridge and am fairly sure that younger people here don't on the whole dress up like that unless it's a particular "special" occasion like a 21st birthday. Not just for a regular Saturday night out.

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NellyJames · 11/10/2020 11:52

It’s definitely a Liverpool thing. We’re southerners living close to Manchester and we don’t really notice it here but you really, really do in Liverpool. The women always look immaculate and well groomed even during the day. And why not, if it makes them happy? 🤷‍♀️ I certainly don’t think it’s rooted in misogyny as all the Liverpudlian women I’ve ever met have been strong and confident.
@Merryunbirthdaytome, I don’t think they find it suffocating at all. I think they do it because they love it. It’s all about the glamour.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 11/10/2020 11:57

@Dancingwithdaftness

DS's ex girlfriend never wore make up even when they went clubbing but she always looked stunning - she was beautiful with amazing hair which helped. His current girlfriend occasionally wears make up when they are going out but it tends to only be mascara and lippy.

Ah, the natural beauties comment. I was waiting for that to come. How did you keep a lid on it for so long OP?

Sorry, I dont understand what you mean?
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QueenOllie · 11/10/2020 11:58

I'm up north and wouldn't ever wear trainers for a night out (or a coat!) unless it was the local casual pub
I can go out at 10pm and wear heels until 6am when the last club shuts so I'm fine in them. Remember being out one year around Christmas and it started snowing and I still hadn't got a coat on

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Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:00

You don't understand? This was always a thinly veiled 'look at those fake fools compared to my Johnny's girlfriend's natural beauty' post. Obviously you only have sons, and since presumably the sun shines out of their arses, they wouldn't deign to date a Scouser.

NellyJames · 11/10/2020 12:01

Grin @natural beauty!

A great many young women in Liverpool are also beautiful without makeup. That doesn’t mean they’d rather go makeup free. They’re not doing it to disguise how plain they are! Grin
Plus, it’s not a working class thing either. Women from across the economic spectrum take part in Saturday prep for out out.
Natural beauty isn’t reserved for naice MC southern girls and going out in jeans and converse doesn’t set them above. It’s just different. And I say that as a southerner myself who has spent many years up here and is soon returning to the South.

RJnomore1 · 11/10/2020 12:02

Wow I’ve spent a few amazing weekends in Liverpool and never even noticed this. They must think I’m a right slob...

From Scotland btw

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:03

I never brought a coat to clubs as I couldn't afford to check it in at the cloakroom lol. That was drinking money. No messing about with useless baggage such as a coat when there was drink to buy and shenanigans to be had. Obviously, the more civilised among us have boyfriends to pay for their drinks and wouldn't bow to the patriarchy at all. Wink

EmmaGrundyForPM · 11/10/2020 12:04

@Dancingwithdaftness

You don't understand? This was always a thinly veiled 'look at those fake fools compared to my Johnny's girlfriend's natural beauty' post. Obviously you only have sons, and since presumably the sun shines out of their arses, they wouldn't deign to date a Scouser.
Not at all, in the clip i saw the women looked amazing. I never said or suggested anything otherwise
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Cavagirl · 11/10/2020 12:04

It's interesting the dressing for work thing too.
I've got lazier and lazier over the years not least because I work in a very male dominated industry so no one really cares anyway as long as you're smart/casual and there aren't really any well dressed ladies around who inspire me to up my game.
But dressing up (top half!) for a few video meetings lately has made me realise how much I quite enjoy getting dolled up. This thread has inspired me! I will make more of an effort to wear clothes I've been saving "for best" and now never wear because no one goes anywhere atm!
And absolute lol at those saying this is about the Patriarchy - women dress for other women. The guys I work with wouldn't notice a jot if I wore full makeup or nothing. If I was lucky I might get "have you done something different with you hair?" Haha.

MrsFezziwig · 11/10/2020 12:06

MrsFezziwig i hope your comment wasn't including me.

Dancing I hadn’t actually noticed your comment and essentially it seems we’re making a similar point, so no.

Didlum · 11/10/2020 12:08

I read that school uniforms in Liverpool can be very smart and several secondary schools have a pinafore for girls which you don't tend to see so much elsewhere at secondary age

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:10

Just googled Liverpool as I had a feeling it was a very Irish place and found the following.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Liverpool

"Today, up to 50% of Liverpool's population is believed to have Irish ancestry." Probably why they're so friendly!

Kleptronic · 11/10/2020 12:12

I'm a Scouser and I live here so I'm going to make controversial statements. There is a class element to this. Obviously for brevity I speak in sweeping generalisations. Working class people often put their money into clothes, goods and cars. You can't get a mortgage for a big mad house so you get a range rover on a contract and you dress up to the nines. Men will wear £300 brand name t/polo shirts. Women will have the Next catalogue in permanent arrears just to dress the children. There is a thriving second hand market in 'higher' brands for children. Or they'll go altogether too far and be class traitors in Boden 😂 that would be me, I've completely lost the plot and my style bearings.

Many social, religious and cultural aspects feed into this. We are a mix of Welsh, Irish and everyone else - the Welsh and Irish (generally) have a tradition of dressing up, probably influenced by religion as well as class. Strongly religious cultures get dressed up for worship, christenings, confirmations, Holy Communions etc. Etc. It is when your family is showcased. Then all down to the parish centre/working men's club/the Legion or wherever (one I know is called the Odva in Bootle, and we used to go the Docker's Club what with my dad being a docker then). Everyone gets new clothes at Easter and Christmas.

It also comes from a strong sense of identity. This has been born out of the many struggles we have had here. We were an industrial city which suffered huge deprivation with the decline of industries and the shift in jobs to the service, tourism and student sector, which often resulted in more female employment and less male employment. For many years we were vilified by the press and politicians and in other areas of the the country. Anyone remember Thatcher and her 'managed decline'? Harry Enfield's Scousers? The Liver Birds? Brookie? Bread? There are multiple examples good and bad. So we have turned being Scouse and proud into an art form - as well as the traditional music, arts, drama and comedy there are a number of performative Scousers on social media, earning a living from it - and tribes often have discernible styles as a means of belonging and self-identity. It is often said - we are Scouse not English and have more in common and affinity with the Scots, Welsh and Irish. And the Geordies. We've all been through the same shit and are still here and still know who we are.

There are negatives to this naturally. There are young gangs related to areas. There is organised crime and drugs. There are tribes of black North Face coat wearing young men robbing each other's Voodoo bikes at knife point. But they all have them coats and they're not cheap. Not so long ago there were sectarian tensions played out on the streets, and it's still there.

Of course, this is not uniform across or solely in Merseyside. There are tribes within tribes, always, different peoples with different social, cultural, religious (and none) and ethnic backgrounds and we're all doing our thing quite happily and are totally Scousers whatever we're dressed in.

We have disconnected communities who were working class and shipped out of Town, after WW2 bomb damage and clearances, to Huyton, Knowsley and Skelmersdale. Mine were shipped out to new (then) council houses in West Derby from two up two down terraces at the back of the Adelphi, so not that far really. Different places have distinct accents of their own. Well distinct to our ears anyway. But we all go out out to Town at some stage in our lives and we all dress up for it, in our different ways.

I'll stop now before I get onto football and horse racing!

I am absolutely aware I am not the only Scouser in the village and these sweeping generalisations are only my opinions, not facts Grin

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Macaroni46 · 11/10/2020 12:20

@FamilyOfAliens I quite agree that people are entitled to different views. I am merely stating mine
and I stand by it - that I'd rather be natural and spend my money & time on other things.
I also said in my first post - each to their own. People can dress up or down as much as they want. It's just that personally I can't relate to it and wonder how much peer pressure there is to be so glam. And to me I feel saddened that women feel the need to go to such lengths to look good. It seems fake.

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:21

Kleptronic, I'd agree with you to an extent, but I think it's not from a shared poverty, but from a shared heritage of strong women that the vanity comes. Irish and Welsh women are fearsome forces to be reckoned with. Ireland I know more than Wales, but it's a definite matriarchal society where the woman rules whether outwardly or by stealth. English women prefer to have things on an equal footing. Don't like to put themselves out there or to stand out. They seem to prefer to blend in I suppose. I've Irish ancestry on both sides so I may be biased!

Macaroni46 · 11/10/2020 12:22

@Cavagirl but why do women feel they need to dress for other women? Why should anyone feel they have to dress for anyone? What's wrong with being yourself?

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:25

Why do I brush my teeth or wash myself? Is that what you're asking? Why do I wash and iron my clothes? Why do I comb my hair and put on makeup? To feel empowered. To look good. To feel good inside. Knowing that I don't look like a mountain creature come down from the glen (which I do at the moment, but we'll ignore that as I don't go out of the flat on a Sunday).

DoTheMaccaroni · 11/10/2020 12:25

This brings back a memory of me trying to on a night out with friend (we’re all scouse) and I was dressed scruffy so they MADE me change into one of their outfits and wear their heels and I was absolutely not allowed to wear a coat or anything like that 😂😂😂 funny thing was, they were freezing all night but the cold didn’t really bother me! I carried the heels and went barefoot most of the night 🙈🙈

WoobyWoo · 11/10/2020 12:28

I remember going in my first night out in London and being shocked that the girls didn’t wear heels. Nine miles of walking later I understood why! Grin

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:28

@Cavagirl but why do women feel they need to dress for other women? Why should anyone feel they have to dress for anyone? What's wrong with being yourself?

What would you say if a man came into work smelly and with crinkled clothes? Would you respect him for 'being himself'?

StormyInTheNorth · 11/10/2020 12:31

I have lived in Mcr, Liv, Leeds and York. So the north.

One of the biggest insults between (upper?) working class women is to be called dirty. "Oh, she's dirty her." Used for having a dirty kitchen to unwashed hair. I have been called 'dirty' for many things including not vacuuming every day, having clutter and also being a punk. I don't think I am.

In the 'grim old days' of heavy industry/ship yards/mining there was so much dirt and dust around. Women used to spend so much time cleaning. You'd see pristine doorsteps and immaculate children, despite people having very little. Sunday best was a thing and many people had no washing facilities so used to value clean as a status symbol.

My mother grew up in a not scouse northern town and cleanlines is very important to her. She was only allowed to wash her hair once a week, as an adult it is washed twice a day. Overkill in my opinion, but then I had a more middle class upbringing. My parents always value 'smart' clothes, in fact both granddads wore shirt and tie to the end of their days. It was just expected and they wanted to look 'smart.

In Liverpool maybe it is an expression of not wanting to seem 'dirty' and also that they are 'not poor'.
Maybe it is due to that fear of having nothing or worrying what people think?

Dancingwithdaftness · 11/10/2020 12:33

I used to wear heels a lot and always had a stash of plasters in my handbag. On one occasion for one of my children's birthdays, a little girl got a paper cut and obviously wanted a plaster (6yrs or 7 I think) Every Mum in the soft play with me was mega impressed that I had a plaster at the ready immediately. Little did they know that I wasn't an ever-ready-Mum, but a vain slave to heels. I took the praise with absolute modesty of course, not letting them in on the truth of the preparedness.

TellySavalashairbrush · 11/10/2020 12:33

I’m a Londoner and visited Liverpool last year . The first thing I noticed was how glamorous the women were. Generally very warm, witty people too. I loved it there.

inchyra · 11/10/2020 12:33

@Kleptronic I loved reading your post. I’m not sure I would agree with the history of poverty though - for much of its history (as many a Scouse cabbie has told me) Liverpool was one of the richest port cities in the world. The decline of the shipyards was reversed over 20 years ago; pre-Covid it was certainly thriving.

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