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People who have a job that makes them appear great but have a very different private life...

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Tellmeyour · 03/10/2020 11:43

This is something that massively surprised me but perhaps I was naive.

I’ve been in a relationship with a judge (District judge) who was terrifyingly callous and had preconceptions about social class. I was brought up in a middle class background, more so than he, but the things he came out with were worrying for someone who makes decisions about the lives of others! He was also mildly racist - obviously not actively but would laugh at racist jokes etc. It was horrifying to hear people talk to me about him like he was some sort of God...that he was obviously wonderful because of what he did. On top of that he used to struggle with spelling particular worlds which was even more frustrating knowing what he was like and how people thought he was incredibly fucking fantastic. He, like many others, got into the job through connections rather than pure intellect.

My friend was married to a lawyer at a huge international law firm. Everyone thought he was balanced, sharp, intelligent...in fact he probably was all those things. At home he would cry that he hated his life and he would take it out on her, tell her she needed to lose weight, give her silent treatment for hours or even days. A real monster but to the outside world he was wonder man. It was chilling.

Another friend dated a consultant doctor for 4 years. She fell pregnant and he left the house the same day, nowhere to be seen for days, wanted nothing to do with her. She miscarried and when she moved out he text her two weeks later saying ‘has it definitely gone?’ No concern for her welfare, nothing. She literally has never heard from him since!

I know a job doesn’t make you a decent person but I find these things appalling that men (maybe women too) who are in these roles in society then have a very different face privately. Maybe it’s actually a case of these sorts of people being less nice than those who don’t have some other image in their public life! Anyone else had an experience like this?

OP posts:
SleepingStandingUp · 03/10/2020 11:46

Did you honestly think that only the unemployed or "blue collar" workers were abusive, racist etc? I mean I mean you really about your ex being judgemental but then...

Tellmeyour · 03/10/2020 11:49

No of course not.

My point is that people don’t seem to think people in these positions do behave like that. My experience in a relationship with a judge proved that much to me, nobody thought he would have been capable of even so much as smirking at a racist joke.

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PicsInRed · 03/10/2020 12:13

Class?

Don't forget King Henry VIII, one of the worst domestic abusers in British History, often discussed as jolly japes. And of course King James VI & I the witch hunter mass murderer of clever women.

It's not a class problem, it's a man problem, a misogyny problem, in the same way that racism is not a class problem, it's a white (or other dominant racial group) problem.

Pelleas · 03/10/2020 12:17

Sadly, in many work environments, being unpleasant is an asset to career progression.

charlieclown · 03/10/2020 12:20

I was going to say - yes I have a very busy and senior job in politics and I am very lazy on the weekends and don't actually care about politics.

But that is not quite what you meant.

All sorts of people are arses OP - you know that really.

jamaisjedors · 03/10/2020 12:22

My ex was hugely invested in charity work but behind the scenes was emotionally abusive to me and made my life a misery.

Highly respected at work as well, although with a reputation for being difficult.

I think I kept thinking he was "a good person" because of how much time and energy he invested in the charity.

Pelleas · 03/10/2020 12:27

I have a very busy and senior job in politics and I am very lazy on the weekends and don't actually care about politics.

Hello Boris! Grin

user15412486546 · 03/10/2020 12:27

My point is that people don’t seem to think people in these positions do behave like that.

Abusive people seek out "respectable" jobs, positions of power. It enables them to abuse.

This is not a new revelation.

greendress789 · 03/10/2020 12:29

@Pelleas

I have a very busy and senior job in politics and I am very lazy on the weekends and don't actually care about politics.

Hello Boris! Grin

😂😂😂😂😂
tectonicplates · 03/10/2020 12:30

@user15412486546

My point is that people don’t seem to think people in these positions do behave like that.

Abusive people seek out "respectable" jobs, positions of power. It enables them to abuse.

This is not a new revelation.

Exactly. Abusers deliberately act like lovely people in public, so that when victims report abuse, they aren't believed. Even friends and family of the victim sometimes say stuff like "But he's such a nice guy, you must've got it wrong, it's your fault" etc.
SleepingStandingUp · 03/10/2020 12:33

@Tellmeyour

No of course not.

My point is that people don’t seem to think people in these positions do behave like that. My experience in a relationship with a judge proved that much to me, nobody thought he would have been capable of even so much as smirking at a racist joke.

But if you'd been with a bricklayer everyone would have believed he could be an abusive racist?? People don't think other people so this because of the personality they project. That isn't about them being upper class or middle class whereas the lower classes all project an air of barely concealed contempt.
KizzyKat91 · 03/10/2020 12:35

My mum used to work as a judicial liason officer (essentially a babysitter for judges). Some of her stories are horrific. She's been retired since the mid 2000s, but misogyny, classism, disablist and racist behaviour were still rife even then. Some of the judges were like overgrown toddlers and needed every area of their life managed for them.

Even worse are some of her stories about the police she had to deal with when she was a court clerk. Many were bullies, domestic abusers and creepy, sexist perverts.

You've got to remember that these are positions of power - the roles will attract psychopaths and people who want to abuse that power and lord it over others. There's also some research that shows doctors & surgeons are more likely to have psychopathic tendencies.

WoobyWoo · 03/10/2020 12:40

I’ve had one of those, also in a very niche and respected job which took over his life. Always had to be seen as the good guy and tbf he was great to everybody except me! He once came out with a very creepy “joke” along the lines of which of us would be believed if he raped me which he later tried to laugh off but it showed me his true colours iyswim, particularly for someone as senior in his profession as he was. Grim.

Gilead · 03/10/2020 12:45

My ex did a lot of voluntary mental health work. He’s on the Clare’s Law list.

Fannybawz · 03/10/2020 13:10

Not just a man problem: I know a psychologist who is actually very damaging towards her children.... leans on them for emotional support (under ten), glorifies the girl, criticises the boy, bullies her family members by withholding her children , walks all over her partner.

She is very unpleasant.

Gwenhwyfar · 03/10/2020 13:14

"My point is that people don’t seem to think people in these positions do behave like that."

On MN maybe, but not in real life. You get a lot of 'I'm a professional...' on MN before talking about something that has nothing to do with working life, as if they think it has some relevance.
The people I know in real life know that there are good and bad people in all walks of life. And a judge being reactionary is completely par for the course.
didtheysaythat.amnesty.org.uk/

Gwenhwyfar · 03/10/2020 13:19

"But if you'd been with a bricklayer everyone would have believed he could be an abusive racist??
People don't think other people so this because of the personality they project. That isn't about them being upper class or middle class whereas the lower classes all project an air of barely concealed contempt."

Eastenders have just tackled this. A domestic abuser who is a lawyer, one of the most middle class characters in the programme and the only one in the extended family. His status as a lawyer definitely helps him get away with the domestic abuse.

AutumnleavesturntoGold · 03/10/2020 13:32

Dr Harold Shipman

AutumnleavesturntoGold · 03/10/2020 13:35

Kizzy, spot on.

rosiethehen · 03/10/2020 13:43

When I was doing my nurse training I saw some shocking behaviour from the consultants behind the scenes in the theatre department.

Sexual harassment - mainly of the student nurses.

Shouting and swearing, including at sedated patients who were undergoing colonoscopy.

Throwing instruments.

Operating whilst very hungover from the night before and probably over the limit to drive.

Leaving anaesthetised patients alone to take person phonecalls in the corridor.

One even assaulted an anaesthetised patient after they'd been sewn up by carving his initials onto their lower abdomen - that ended up in the newspaper if memory serves me correctly.

Some doctors are off the planet when it comes to their behaviour.

AdoptedBumpkin · 03/10/2020 13:49

I have noticed this sometimes with voluntary staff as well as paid staff, perhaps more often. Men and women who volunteered perhaps twice a week or in more than one place but still were not very nice on a personal level, even to some of their fellow volunteers.

JenniferSantoro · 03/10/2020 14:21

@PicsInRed

Class?

Don't forget King Henry VIII, one of the worst domestic abusers in British History, often discussed as jolly japes. And of course King James VI & I the witch hunter mass murderer of clever women.

It's not a class problem, it's a man problem, a misogyny problem, in the same way that racism is not a class problem, it's a white (or other dominant racial group) problem.

It’s not just a man problem either. Women can be violent too.

OP what someone does for a profession has zero impact on what they are like at home. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors, no matter what a relationship seem like, or how a person behaves when in public.

PicsInRed · 03/10/2020 14:43

It’s not just a man problem either. Women can be violent too.

You mean NAMALT?

PicsInRed · 03/10/2020 14:43

...and SWALT?

Scweltish · 03/10/2020 15:25

It’s almost like judges, doctors and lawyers are human 🙄