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ADs crave hotel breakfasts garnished with phallic strawberries

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BogRollBOGOF · 03/10/2020 09:18

Oh for the good old days of a breakfast buffet.

Back when you could make plans and reasonably expect them to happen. When you could turn up spontaneously and browse or linger at your leisure. When you could meet whoever you like and give them a hug

But until those days return, here's some more AD chat about life, the universe and phallic fruits...

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110APiccadilly · 08/10/2020 07:47

"If the clowns are not careful, the public might never take a pandemic seriously again."

I remember someone pointing this out way back in May (on a podcast or something, can't remember who). Also I was listening to a Tim Harford podcast where he pointed out that traditional bio-terrorism has been thought generally about in terms of really nasty diseases like smallpox. Potential terrorists now know that they don't need a disease anything like as nasty as that to get us panicked. (Although of course those points cancel each other out to some extent - we might actually under-react next time something nasty comes along, in which case the inept bio-terrorist will be disappointed.)

ISaySteadyOn · 08/10/2020 09:16

I think masks have been an extremely effective psychological tool. An ape covering its mouth and nose so its facial expressions cannot be seen is an overtly hostile act. Masks, therefore, cause us to regard each other with aggressive suspicion rather than as fellow humans. Very convenient, as Domina says.

So, as I see it, the best rebellion is to uncover your face and smile at people. It's the only way back to normal human interaction.

TheOrchidKiller · 08/10/2020 09:23

Oh God.
Is it last March again?
I can't do it again.

Funkypolar · 08/10/2020 09:36

I’m saving loads of money buy not shopping or buying coffees.

I’m sure by December the government will be begging us to do our shopping on the high street.

TabbyStar · 08/10/2020 10:01

So apparently hospitals are overwhelmed and that's why we have to lock down according to some reports in The Times, but are they? I just don't believe anything I'm reading any more. Chatting to students in Manchester, there are a lot of them in the halls with a positive test, and confined to their floors with shit food, but no one is really ill.

In the meantime DD's cafe is getting fewer customers because people have got scared again despite there being very low rates where we are so she might lose her job, and my business is still bumping along the bottom having had no Government help and my savings are disappearing. I feel like we are potentially hidden casualties who no one gives a shit about, andd there must be 1,000s like us. I feel so sorry for all the hospitality businesses in the north who now have a weekend of uncertainty.

TheOrchidKiller · 08/10/2020 10:02

Every day I either get up & slog through work. Or I vow to get up early & make the most of my day off, with the limited & ever-shrinking options for entertainment there are left. But I end up thinking, "what's the point?" or, "not this again," and just can't get motivated. I've tried to break the habit but I'm stuck.

I'm getting so irritated with DH being here all the time- it's not his fault, work won't let him go in, & the things he usually does are cancelled.

We've got a 2 week half term soon so DS will be here all day, & if they shut down hospitality, DD will also be moping at home.

I'm already dreading going to work tomorrow. Several people bitterly calling for pubs & restaurants to be shut down, but the same people had holidays & took advantage of EOTHO. Worried I might snap at someone.

I even dreamt about going shopping in a mask. There's no escape.

Ugh. I should probably get dressed. Can hear the rain hammering outside so a walk's out of the question.

It feels like we're being thrown bucket after bucket of foul, icy water. Just as we get up & wipe the slime from our eyes, here comes the next bucket.

DominaShantotto · 08/10/2020 10:28

DH (who works in data analysis and deals with spreadsheets and databases every day) is now explaining to his German boss who has very sensibly got the fuck out of the UK back to Germany when all this kicked off, about the Excel spreadsheet fuck up losing all the covid tests. I can see his boss's webcam on DH's screen from here and the facial expressions of despair would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't our lives being fucked up here.

By all accounts his boss's opinion is that Germany isn't blazing a trail of glory through this either! I like his boss - his attitude with all of this is that the kids and the families come before the work.

TheOrchidKiller · 08/10/2020 11:25

@DominaShantotto
It's ridiculous, isn't it? DS is doing computer science A level & sat there going, "Excel? Why did they think that was a good idea?!"

110APiccadilly · 08/10/2020 11:43

@DominaShantotto
Even better is that apparently they've sorted it by splitting the data into 2 batches. That's just another mess up waiting to happen when they forget one batch/ combine the two incorrectly/ reach the limit of the second spreadsheet/ etc.

TabbyStar · 08/10/2020 11:56

And apparently part of the problem was that they were using a 2007 version according to R4 More or Less!

wanderings · 08/10/2020 12:10

@110APiccadilly Thanks for your reply. I have really struggled to take this "pandemic" (should that be plandemic?) seriously at all, because of the media and government previously trying to terrify us with:

  • The millennium bug.
  • Your mobile phone is killing you.
  • Terrorists are around every corner.
  • Paedophiles are around every corner.
  • Immigrants are around every corner, waiting to steal your job.
  • There are weapons of mass destruction.
I haven't believed anything the government says since that sleazy master of spin Tony Bliar was elected. (He was more skilled at convincing the public than Saint Boris.)

When will the public realise that most of what we hear on the news is complete shite, especially if it's endorsed by the government peddling some scaremongering agenda or other?

It's saying something when the Daily Mail seems to be one of the more common sense papers, today mentioning possible long-term effects of lockdown. Of course, it may be that they just like to randomly pick which crowd they infuriate every day, but at least somebody is drawing attention to this.

skeptile · 08/10/2020 13:02

I thought this quote rather on point.

“One of the main techniques for breaking morale through a strategy of terror consists in exactly this tactic - keep the person hazy as to where he stands and just what he may expect. In addition, if frequent vacillation between severe disciplinary measures and promises of good treatment together with the spreading of contradictory news, make the cognitive structure of this situation utterly unclear, then the individual may cease even to know a particular plan would lead toward or away from his goal. Under these conditions even those individuals who have definite goals and are ready to take risks are paralysed by severe inner conflict in regard to what to do”

  • Dr. Kurt Lewin (1890-1947), founder of social psychology

The narrative of ineptitude is there to drive demand for authoritarianism.

HeIenaDove · 08/10/2020 14:51

I take it the Covid 19 threat is over then if the surgery can blackmail pensioner patients into going for routine blood tests with threat of loss of medication if they dont go. Must also mean the public can ditch the masks if thats the case!!!!

DH got a call this morning.

110APiccadilly · 08/10/2020 15:06

@wanderings

The media really messes up our sense of risk perception on a lot of those things (terrorists and paedophiles in particular). Our inbuilt risk assessments tell us that things we see happen often are likely and things we don't see happen often are unlikely. We read the papers, which tell us about unlikely very bad things, and we become more afraid of those than of the likely bad things. In the same way, people are normally more afraid of plane crashes than car crashes - even though you're far more likely to die in a car crash.

I'm relieved the Mail is taking the stance it seems to be re lockdown. If anything will push the government to reconsider, that might be it. I'm under no delusions that this is good for democracy, but at least it might mean the lockdown nightmare ends.

Dowser · 08/10/2020 15:21

Haven’t watched the news since last year.
I do wander into DM territory ..most days..oh alright then..every day
How else will I find out if Brenda has died
Or Kim Khardashian has got a bigger arse?
In fact, we rarely put on tv at all

It really has saved my sanity
I’d advise anyone to do it

Dowser · 08/10/2020 16:04

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asks: Dangerous to your health?
Date:
April 22, 2015
Source:
University of New South Wales
Summary:
Respiratory infection is much higher among healthcare workers wearing cloth masks compared to medical masks, research shows. Cloth masks should not be used by workers in any healthcare setting, authors of the new study say.
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The widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers may actually put them at increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections and their global use should be discouraged, according to a UNSW study.

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The results of the first randomized clinical trial (RCT) to study the efficacy of cloth masks were published in the journal BMJ Open.

The trial saw 1607 hospital healthcare workers across 14 hospitals in the Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, split into three groups: those wearing medical masks, those wearing cloth masks and a control group based on usual practice, which included mask wearing.

Workers used the mask on every shift for four consecutive weeks.

The study found respiratory infection was much higher among healthcare workers wearing cloth masks.

The penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% compared to medical masks with 44%.

Professor Raina MacIntyre, lead study author and head of UNSW's School of Public Health and Community Medicine, said the results of the study caution against the use of cloth masks.

"Masks are worn to protect from infection during pandemics and outbreaks, especially when there are no drugs or vaccines available for protection," Professor MacIntyre said.

"Masks are especially important for frontline doctors and nurses, as their protection from infection is key to maintaining the ability to tackle a pandemic effectively.

"We should be cautious about cloth mask use in healthcare settings, particularly high-risk situations such as emergency departments, intensive care, paediatric or respiratory wards."

Cloth masks remain widely used globally because they are a cheaper option especially in areas where there are shortages of protective equipment, including in Asian countries, which have historically been affected by emerging infectious diseases, as well as in West Africa, which was the epicentre of the recent Ebola epidemic.

The authors speculate that the cloth masks' moisture retention, their reuse and poor filtration may explain the increased risk of infection.

Professor MacIntyre, who has completed the largest body of clincial trial research on respiratory protection in health workers internationally, said emerging infectious diseases are not constrained within geographical borders.

"Effective controls of outbreaks and pandemics at the origin impacts us directly, so it is important for global disease control that the use of cloth masks be discouraged in high-risk situations," she said.

"Despite more than half the world using cloth masks, global disease control guidelines, including those from the World Health Organisation, fail to clearly specify conditions of their use.

"These guidelines need to be updated to reflect the higher infection risk posed by cloth masks, as found in our study."

Professor MacIntyre said the study's results pointed to the effectiveness of medical masks, in addition to the harm caused by cloth masks.

"Additional research is urgently needed to build on our study's findings."

The trial was a collaboration between researchers in Australia and the National Institute for Hygiene and Epidemiology in Vietnam and was funded by an Australian Research Council Linkage Grant.

A separate expert review by Professor MacIntyre published in the British Medical Journal earlier this month found that the lack of research on facemasks and respirators is reflected in varied and sometimes conflicting global policies and guidelines.

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Materials provided by University of New South Wales. Original written by Dan Wheelahan. Note: Content may be edited for style and length.

Dowser · 08/10/2020 16:05

@amicissimma
Thank you, I’ve still been around just making a nuisance of myself in other places.
Like fb groups for example.
When I get sick of fighting I come here for peace and calm
Plus my internet connection at our caravan is pants.

Dowser · 08/10/2020 16:16

@wanderings
I think in March it was presented to us as a
Novel virus
Something big and scary
Remember all the reports from woohans wet markets
They were the big bad wolves
TheN prof pants down ( sir shag a lot)
and his half a million in the uk will die
The cheltenham covid races..not quite the disaster it was sold as being
Then the Bournemouth bathing belle disaster wait ..that didn’t happen either
The mask protests, the police without masks, the blm protests, The eat out scheme ..loads of people still alive..somethings not right.
Then people began to put their heads above the parapet and think
Hang on a minute..Doris next door had her grannie in for a cuppa
And neither of them have died yet and why are we crossing to the other side of the street to let someone pass , when we are closer than that in a supermarket/ a pub / a restaurant / an airline seat

Gradually the country’s perception of what we’ve been fed has changed.
Loads of people speaking out.
Still a massive swathe of the country still does not know anyone has had it, let alone died from it.
People won’t settle for this a second time around.

Oh yes..remember the second wave that was coming to get us

Smacks of desperation doesn’t it?

Taswama · 08/10/2020 16:54

Factfulness is a great book about how to understand the media and the what is worth being afraid of.

WouldBeGood · 08/10/2020 17:01

I’d forgotten the mobile phones will kill us theory!

BogRollBOGOF · 08/10/2020 17:08

It does feel desperate, and far, far fewer people believe it this time.

How much difference will crashing the hospitality sector actually make? How much misery will it cause?

The reality is that to a large extent people are making their own choices from the hyper-cautious to the getting out relatively normally.

The more desperate and illogical the measures become, the less people will follow them.

I can sit with my mum at a table in a cafe. Due to local lockdown, I can't sit over 2m away from her in her house. Which is the lower risk option??? And no, while I'm happy to keep as many interractions outside as I can, I don't think it's a great idea dragging out an arthritic octogenarian for a long walk in the cold and damp!
The virus rate is lower in her lockdown town than my neighbourhood (both pretty low). She's not exactly hanging out with the students in the city centre 6 miles away!

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justasking111 · 08/10/2020 17:13

I think once it has roared through the students, the figures will fall dramatically. We were told uni. would bring an avalanche of cases well in advance why panic now. PHW is registering students separately so in Wales yesterday we had 638 cases 94 of those students. 137 in Cwm Taf where we know the hospitals are out of control.

DominaShantotto · 08/10/2020 17:25

Had a fairly long and pretty unguarded chat with one of the uni mental health workers this afternoon (I'm trying to get a parking permit as I don't think my panic attacks will cope with the train travelling in).

They are really starting to see the deluge of people, like me, who normally function OK with anxiety issues and it rising to the point where it's no longer something they can cope with. Absolutely appalled with what's being reported in Nottingham (which is the same situation as the MMU students by all account but not being picked up on as much by the media) and really thinks that it's all just going awfully wrong! Actually agrees with me on the mandating of lanyards for the mask exempt now I've pointed out to him how it parallels some rather unfortunate periods in history tagging those who are "weaker"!

Apparently campus is a ghost town - he went in to rescue some equipment and saw about 3 people. Yellow arrows absolutely fecking everywhere.

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 08/10/2020 17:38

@justasking111 - I do hope so. Im hoping it'll start naturally falling in the North as well.

justasking111 · 08/10/2020 17:46

[quote DisgruntledGuineaPig]@justasking111 - I do hope so. Im hoping it'll start naturally falling in the North as well. [/quote]
They will lockdown for a couple of weeks in uni. cities numbers will fall and they will say see we were right. In that time all the students will have recovered so naturally figures will fall. I give up with this lot.

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