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I went on a seminar that did the opposite of what it was for and now I feel rubbish

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Careerhelp · 24/09/2020 14:39

I did one of these little online seminars that was called Improve Your Confidence While Job Hunting or something. I ended up feeling even less confident than ever. We were told to do things like listing your achievements so everyone except me came up with things. I don't think I've achieved anything recently. Then we were all told to do some exercise and that Couch to 5K would change our lives. I have my own personal reasons for not wanting to go running.

I'm not interested in personal development advice here, I'm just annoyed that I wasted a few hours on this seminar.

Please cheer me up with tales of courses that left you none the wiser or did the opposite of what was supposed to happen.

A friend of mine once said she went on a time management course, and left early because she had better things to do with her time.

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garlictwist · 24/09/2020 17:40

I remember at school when it was about to be the year 2000. We had to write our hopes for the future on a paper leaf and pin it to a "tree of hope". I remember writing "I hope I never have to do anything as shit as this ever again".

ProudAuntie76 · 24/09/2020 17:50

I went on a course when I was working with young people with mental health problems, self harm etc on the “Resilience Framework for Young People” led by a team of leading academics and some social workers from a very affluent area, who had travelled to a very poor part on the other side of the country. Knowing my client group, I found some of the ideas a bit twee and simplistic and I knew in particular that some of the parents I worked with would refuse to engage and rubbish some of the suggestions (I.e the parent needed to create a “positivity mood board” to keep by the door and with all the children in the house they needed to write and recite an “affirmation of the week” in the mirror every time they passed the board, or before school every morning they needed to do “breakfast blessings” where they each spent half an hour discussing how blessed they were or doing a craft or dance/music activity that incorporated gratitude). Some of the parents I worked with had abused and neglected their children, some were drug addicts who’s ten year olds had to help them when they’d OD’d...many a time I’d been told that positivity was a load of wank/shit/bollocks and their child “needed to live in the real world/toughen the fuck up” etc. I knew that some..actually ALL, of the suggestions wouldn’t be easy to implement or even suggest with my client group even though I acknowledged that Resilience itself was important. There was also a suggestion of parents attending “Resilience Tea Parties” which again, I knew would be an uphill battle in the town of extreme deprivation and poverty that I was working in.

It was exceptionally well attended, this course, and I was very nervous about asking a question...my heart was pounding. I very politely asked if they had any suggestions on gaining parent’s trust when they might be cynical about positive psychological and so entrenched in their own difficulties and pathologies that it made it hard for them to embrace positive approaches. I gave an example from my own practice where a parent had told me to “f off with my pie in the sky ideas and trying to fill their kids heads with rubbish” when I’d tried to sign them up to a free summer course and explained that with my client group many of us who were trying to help, especially if we weren’t local, were viewed with suspicion. I asked if they had suggestions for building bridges...

Ladies and gentleman...

The Resilience Panel...made me cry in front of 200 people.

They told me they had never heard of such problems. That it was me who was cynical and prejudiced towards parents and I must be using the wrong approach because everyone loves the Resilience Framework, that every parent wants what is best for their child and is only ever loving towards them (one of the children I worked with was brain damaged because her mother had held her head in the cistern when she was a newborn and repeatedly flushed it to stop her crying SadAngry), that no one would think affirmations were rubbish and that it was me that was negative and unrealistic. That they could sense my cynicism and criticism towards the Resilience Movement. “You ask how to build bridges? Stop being so judgemental towards parents and viewing them as the enemy!!!”

I was humiliated. I can remember this one woman turning round to look at me and shaking her head in disgust at me.

To make matters worse, it was in a lecture theatre and I was right at the back so I had to pass everyone to leave, as I was so embarrassed and felt incompetent that I tried to leave as soon as I was able.

I went into work the next day and my colleagues said “how did the Resilience course go?” and I said “the Resilience people made me cry!” and they all burst out laughing, as did I! I had been running it over in my mind as I thought I must have got the tone wrong when I asked the question and came off really rudely so I asked my colleagues to listen carefully to the exact question id asked and the tone I’d used and to tell me honestly if I’d got it wrong. I remember saying “and at the time I know I smiled when I asked the question because I was so nervous my cheeks started to shake!” They were like...”Was that it?! Perfectly valid question...they don’t actually work with our client group and know the daily battle to earn trust and encourage parents to engage with their childrens’ recovery!”

I still didn’t believe I hadn’t done something awful in front of 200 people so I then asked my counsellor if she could give me honest feedback. She said there was nothing wrong either and that in her experience of working within child protective services until retirement she’d also have difficulty implementing some of these suggestions and felt asking how to build bridges and earn parents trust was an important question.

So yeah...came out of a resilience course feeling less resilient, humiliated and like I was totally awful at my job and a generally bad person.

What made me feel better was that my colleagues then attended a Resilience course run by the same people funded by the council and felt talked down to and hissed at all day by the trainer...in the words of my boss “gosh...she was a bit acerbic wasn’t she!”

squeekyclean · 24/09/2020 17:57

As a trainee in a professional firm, all female staff were required to attend a series of 'women in business' lunch meetings, with 'inspiring' speakers/tips etc. We were told that these were to help us see that what we could achieve/address the issue of lack of female senior staff etc etc (ie undoubtedly a box ticking exercise). The sessions actually included how to present yourself as a professional (apparently you won't be taken seriously unless you wear make-up and heels) We were also told what we should keep in our handbag at all times and what not to carry (Lipstick, comb, mirror and tissues, don't carry sweets or anything relating to children). Another highlight was a male member of staff who looks after his child every other weekend mansplaining that essentially anyone who says they find it hard to juggle parenthood and work is just a bit lazy and needs to sort out their priorities. The whole thing made it clear why there were no female directors etc!

At the same work place, everyone was asked to complete online training about unconscious bias. Male boss declared that he had no bias (conscious or otherwise) and was too busy to do it so asked a female junior member of staff to complete his.

Unsuremover · 24/09/2020 18:04

I had to do an anti discrimination course. I am the most liberal lefty you could find, I want to hold everyone’s hand. But after that course I could have led a rally defending the white people. Not because of the content (which was self evident to anyone out of primary school) but the woman running it was awful. For 1/2 she read out a ethnicity and we had to go round and say whether we thought they were BAME or not. 20 people in the group and must have been 50 ethnicities.

Careerhelp · 24/09/2020 18:05

@TheDogsMother

I have a long list of online courses that I've been meaning to do for ages. Top of the list is one on How to Overcome Procrastination Grin
I've seen those advertised and I'd love to see some statistics about how many people leave it until the last minute to book Grin
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lljkk · 24/09/2020 18:10

omg, this happened to me a few times, OP.

Fire walking on hot coals for charity: I wanted to go out there in first 5 minutes, had never had a moment's fear in my life about hot coals & wanted to show off. Instead, Had to sit thru a 90 minute preparation session first. Boring and made me very anxious by end, they kept droning on about all the reasons to be scared. WTF.

6 week Parenting confidence course: walked out of there feeling useless.

Few other experiences I have no doubt buried.

cheesecrack · 24/09/2020 18:11

I went to an NHS one about supervision. It was so awful we all complained.

The guy leading it introduced himself and spoke about how his daughter had just inherited £50k from a distant relative.
Wtf?

That set the tone for the day. Absolutely bizarre.

Messwithyerhead · 24/09/2020 18:14

I got told to cancel my annual leave to go on a motivation course. (I complained to the trainer who intervened.)

Careerhelp · 24/09/2020 18:21

@ProudAuntie76 That's appalling. I had a stable upbringing and I think all that positivity mood board stuff is rubbish, so goodness knows how others must feel. You were well within your rights to answer that perfectly valid question.

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ProudAuntie76 · 24/09/2020 18:57

@Careerhelp haha even my counsellor said that in her experience affirmations were useless and that they frequently make the client feel worse rather than better. She was more in favour of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy which I found works better too!

NameChange84 · 24/09/2020 19:06

As a secondary school teacher, we had an inset day from a “Positive Psychologist” something like “A Positive Approach to Teaching”.

She started off by telling us she had been a school teacher just like us then realised she was miserable in her job. She felt strongly that if you didn’t love your job and feel positive about it every morning when you woke up then you were doing yourself, your colleagues and the children a disservice and you’d be an emotional vacuum sucking the life out of everyone and everything and making the school a horrible place to work. “There are OTHER jobs! If you don’t LOVE your job, GET OUT! Life’s too short.” Then she began the rest of the day in educating us to be the best and most positive teachers ever...a day that had cost the school big money...

I can’t remember the rest of the workshop.

I resigned and left on the next pay day. She did give me permission!

Potplant · 24/09/2020 19:21

As part of our investors in people or ISO thing, everyone had to go through the induction course. Fine except I’d been there 3 years and I was delivering part of it. The training manager wouldn’t give me a certificate unless I’d sat through the whole thing. Absolute waste of a day.

I went to many ante natal classes when ph with DTs and virtually everything they said was ‘oh, but this doesn’t apply to you’.
(I was much earlier than everyone else, having two, booked in for a csection).

MoonDelay · 24/09/2020 19:43

Years ago a stupid Job centre one day "course" for single mothers where you would be effectively sanctioned if you didn't attend.

Patronising cow spouting utter bollocks for 2 hours writing shit on a whiteboard. Then we were sent to some computers to Google jobs.

I said I'd like to find a course doing painting and decorating, houses, fences, wallpapering etc just general stuff. According to her that is a waste of time, useless even, and I should have wanted to be an interior decorator. Didn't help at all. She told us she would be leaving that job soon so probably didn't care anyway.

One woman left after the first break with a few choice words and I wish I'd have done so too.

Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 24/09/2020 19:47

NameChange84

Sounds like the daytime TV presenter turned motivational speaker that came to my corporate office to motivate us and told us a story about standing crying at the bus stop on the way to her “soul destroying corporate job” knowing she just had to get out and follow her real dream.

So motivational!

Cruddles · 24/09/2020 19:51

these sound like the training videos in The Simpsons: "Smoke Yourself Thin" and "Get Confident, Stupid"

Careerhelp · 24/09/2020 19:56

@MoonDelay

Years ago a stupid Job centre one day "course" for single mothers where you would be effectively sanctioned if you didn't attend.

Patronising cow spouting utter bollocks for 2 hours writing shit on a whiteboard. Then we were sent to some computers to Google jobs.

I said I'd like to find a course doing painting and decorating, houses, fences, wallpapering etc just general stuff. According to her that is a waste of time, useless even, and I should have wanted to be an interior decorator. Didn't help at all. She told us she would be leaving that job soon so probably didn't care anyway.

One woman left after the first break with a few choice words and I wish I'd have done so too.

The people running those compulsory courses for the Jobcentre must be raking in the money. I once went on something similar and they gave us printouts of jobs paying below minimum wage as they were apprenticeship wages. Very insulting for people with years of work on their CV.

The Jobcentre seem to be notorious for giving bad advice, as far as I can see. I think you get better advice from going to local independent employment charities, some libraries and communities have CV help available.

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flowerlessorchid · 24/09/2020 20:23

@MercedesDeMonteChristo

An old boss sent me on an assertiveness course. Largely because he didn’t like me suggesting opposing ideas to his own. So basically, I was/am assertive and have to go on a course where everyone was less assertive, shy etc. It was awkward.

He was a twat.

I had a similar boss! I was sent on a time management 121 course as he was convinced I was a skiver who did very little work. The tutor fed back (in writing) to him that there was nothing wrong with my time management skills, I was just overworked and had too much to do. He did NOT like that feedback at all! Grin
MadamBatty · 24/09/2020 23:04

A reiki course...I went along to keep my mate company. The trainer described at times how we should be feeling. The class nodded along. I spoke up & said I felt nothing. It was because I was spiritually blocked...trainer has a course to help me with that. At lunch the rest of the group said they felt nothing too.

Flatpackback · 24/09/2020 23:21

Corporate training has to be one of the best money spinners for bollocks available. When I worked we hired in trainers at outrageous costs and thought nothing of sending sent delegates on courses @£500 per person and there would be T&S claims on top of that. Want a career change? Corporate training is the way to go, money for old rope.

swimlyn · 25/09/2020 01:36

Yes, I have to agree that the corporate training courses were without fail a complete waste of time. Quite often the topic was too vague to be of use, and in effect the course was then pretty much run by the attendees coming up with ideas. Bonkers.

As for Time Management, we had a three day course which hugely affected our work schedule anyway. Travelled to posh hotel daily, ludicrously long day. We all returned with a time managing filofax type thing. The problem with that was that maintaining the filofax ‘system’ impinged so much on your day that it became a burden – just another task to do. Crazy.

And yes, the Jobcentre courses with sanctions. What an incredible waste of time and money. Never any use at all. The ‘perfect CV’ courses were always laughable as they always changed/ridiculed what the last CV seminar had specified…

Susannahmoody · 25/09/2020 02:18

I recently took a personality test which to be frank, pissed me off, because I'm not the social extrovert I thought I was!

Apparently I'm an introverted logical minded oddball

Susannahmoody · 25/09/2020 02:24

I went on a first aid course once that was so confusing even my colleague said' do we give cpr to someone who is breathing or not?' The trainer even had my questioning stuff 🤔

BitOfFun · 25/09/2020 03:00

@deaddreams

This is very outing so NC. I started a psychotherapy degree type course. Dream career for me. 1/3 of the class had active mental health problems. I had to leave when I kindly disagreed that experiencing mental ill health was an essential pre requisite to being the best sort of therapist- it caused all sorts of splitting and projection, somewhat ironically. (Thanks for this thread)
Oh, there is nothing unusual about that (although I respect your reasons for wanting privacy). I completed a diploma course which would have qualified me to practise as a counsellor. I never did, because I figured it was unlikely I was the only sane one out of a group of thirty Grin.
Mintjulia · 25/09/2020 03:48

I went on a 'project management' course my co. organised on a Saturday (no extra pay), that we were required to attend. We each sat at a desk, on which was a ball of string. The 'speaker opened the session by asking 'without touching it, tell me how long your string is,'

I'd been hauled into London on a Saturday morning, in unpaid overtime to be asked how long is a piece of string by someone about 22 who quite clearly had never run a project in her life. Oddly, I became fairly cynical at that point Grin

BitOfFun · 25/09/2020 05:47

@Mintjulia, that is a threadwinner, for sure Grin. My God, how insulting!