Can nursery require quarantine beyond govt rules?

[GrinchTastic]

Just that really - we are going to Ireland, which has never been subject to any quarantine restrictions as it is in a Common Travel Area with the UK, and isn’t part of any air bridges or anything like that. Nursery said yesterday they are asking parents to quarantine for 14 days when returning from “overseas”. I wonder if they haven’t realised that Ireland is in a different boat to Greece/Germany/Italy etc by virtue of the CTA.

We’re also sailing into Northern Ireland, but back from Dublin.

Just wondering what the position is, or if anyone can offer any advice.

Thanks!

I would send them the Govt guidance on Ireland and say you plan to follow it. Ask them why their rules are different and on what medical advice

Actually yes I do. I think anyone who is selfish enough to leave their country of residence should be forced to quarantine.

If you live in Wales but work over the border in England are you selfish for commuting?

I would send them the Govt guidance on Ireland and say you plan to follow it. Ask them why their rules are different and on what medical advice

That’s a good idea, thank you. I might also phone the council on Monday.

A lot of people haven't seen family for months and might not see them for months yet.

Do you know whether the nursery has just singled out Ireland for quarantine purposes?

I suspect they’ve just lumped Ireland in with everywhere else, not realising that quarantine restrictions have never applied to travel from Ireland to the U.K., even at the peak of the pandemic.

If you live in Wales but work over the border in England are you selfish for commuting?

This is Mumsnet. A few months go it was full of people debating whether they should even use their garden or open windows.

As a private business, yes they can.

How will you cope @GrinchTastic when nursery or bubbles within it have to close on a regular basis due to self isolation requirements?

I assume nursery are just being very cautious

We’ll have to manage, I expect, juggling work like we did from March onwards. I accept that if there are suspected/confirmed cases, then there will be self-isolation requirements.

I dispute the need to impose quarantine pre-emptively on all those travelling, particularly to Ireland for the reasons I’ve stated above.

You sound like you consider Ireland to be similar to Wales 🤨

I consider NI to be similar to Wales.

Sorry that comment was to @netflixismysidehustle

Wales is in the U.K., Ireland isn’t. So you can’t compare travel from Wales to England with travel from Ireland.

If I needed to use a nursery I’d be very happy to have one that took travel seriously and expected quarantine. You are usually free to run whatever risks for yourself you like but with the virus you can’t risk assess just for yourself so they are trying to keep themselves and the children and families they support safe.

But @GrinchTastic you will be travelling back from Dublin, so it should be considered international travel.

Out of curiosity, how will you manage the 2 week self isolation when you arrive in Ireland ( southern bit)? Will it not be a bit tedious?

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If I needed to use a nursery I’d be very happy to have one that took travel seriously and expected quarantine. You are usually free to run whatever risks for yourself you like but with the virus you can’t risk assess just for yourself so they are trying to keep themselves and the children and families they support safe.“

Agree.
We all have to start to factor in the protection of others far more. It’s no longer just about us and our personal circumstances.

Anoisagusaris the U.K. isn’t requiring quarantine from within the CTA. So it’s not considered “international travel” either for immigration or public health purposes.

Re the restricted movements portion down south, we’re fortunate enough to have been given access to a family member’s house which is empty. So we will stay
put there for the allotted period before travelling to join family.

Does the nursery have anyone who is extremely clinically vulnerable?? If so I would have more sympathy.
Personally I think the nursery is being a bit unreasonable. I doubt this is provided for in their contract.

And I agree that they will just be lumping Eire/ NI in with 'abroad' out of ease or ignorance.

My nursery is doing this. It is preferable to having to close because staff and children are isolating every few weeks. We wouldn't financially survive frequent closures and would close permanently, then there wouldn't be nursery to go back to. It is also not fair on the staff or the other families to risk catching the virus because you want a holiday. You made the choice to travel, they did not.

Ireland is international travel. Yes, there is more freedom of movement than with other countries, but it is international travel. What with it being a different country and all.

I suspect your nursery can impose any conditions they want, and quarantining after international travel isn't an unreasonable requirement at the minute. Print the government guidelines that state there's no need to quarantine and have a polite conversation, they may change their minds.

Are you traveling through NI to circumvent the Irish quarantine rules?

No, Mindy, as I’ve stated three or four times on this thread already, we are observing the “restricted movements” requirements when we go to the Republic

@Whathewhatnow

And I agree that they will just be lumping Eire/ NI in with 'abroad' out of ease or ignorance.

Ireland is abroad. NI is not.

I cross posted with your latest post.

I stated we were doing that in my OP and again at 8.46am. We are carefully following all the rules from govts on both sides of the Irish Sea.

And taking extra precautions to travel safely - ferry travel, cabin in both directions to avoid being in the common areas on the ferry.