Nurses to get 4.4%pay rise.

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I’ve calculated that this will equate to an extra £90 a month for me after tax.
That will cover my monthly parking fees at work then.
What’s the fucking point?

I was promised a pretty decent salary increase in April. Of course, Covid struck and I've ended up being on 80% of my salary but as others have been furloughed I'm doing three people's work.

I may have worded this wrong, but I'm not really complaining, just saying I may be 20% down and working harder but I do have a job, I'm WFH which I prefer (always did majority of my job from home anyway) and saving on commuting costs. But the others are probably a bit nervous as I think they expected to be back in by now . I think furlough has shown that companies can still function with a few less people than they actually realised.

I got a ten percent pay cut, u would be delighted to get any ruse at all.

I and rise

As an AHP who was sent to work in a COVID ward when I usually erk in outpatients... I get zilch.
nothing
I also pay £400 a year registration fee and £180 For insurance.
whoopeee doo

Why don't people read the thread ? It's part of an ongoing pay rise rather than anything new.

We have, but the OP has been straightened out

Another here getting a 20% pay cut (with MORE work). I was due a big boost in salary this year too as reward for several years of long hours setting my dept up. That’s fucked now and I can hardly cover my bills. But I’m better of that those that have lost their jobs. So no I don’t think complaining about any job security or flat pay and especially not a pay rise is appropriate in the current climate.

Having said that I have followed what’s been detailed about the so called 4.4% rise being all smoke and mirrors. Similar to teacher police etc. These big announcements sound fabulous but read the detail and very different.

Should the Covid front line have got something. I’m not sure. Maybe a one off bonus would have been good but how to administer that (levels and does it dept in hours done on ward etc) I certainly know many health care professionals who have been unusually quiet recently so I don’t think a blanket bonus would work either. Then again I don’t think a blanket £1k per employee for companies taking them off furlough makes sense either. Right now this country seems to be throwing money left right and centre and insane causes which aren’t helping the root issues at all.

Christ this thread is full of them! Yes we do deserve a pay rise, do you understand that we haven't received any pay rises equal to I inflation for years? Our salaries are ridiculous. I'm wondering whether to go back to work at all after mat leave TBH, hardly seems worth it.

If that’s to me I was talking specifically about a monetary reward for Covid. I’m not sure a blanket reward would work (you can’t give to all nhs, If give to those on ward is it based on hours worked or a flat rate or what..then there is issue of others working flat out during Covid such as police with the increase workload etc).

Actually rates of pay. Yeah you should all be on lots more ideally. Nurses, police, auxiliary staff. There is a lot of seriously underpaid people out there. But is the biggest economic slump our country has ever know (probably!) the right time to be sorting that out with massive pay hikes? That I’m not sure about. Millions have serious salary cuts and job losses. I’m not sure it’s the time to be sorting decades and decades of underpaid public workers salaries out. Be nice if some of the overpaid public sector works (MPs for a start!) took a pay cut like lots of us have had to do though!!!

(To clarify I don’t think they pay rises offered as “massive” I think massive rises are needed but it’s not good timing wise! The rises offered are better than nothing and clearly a lot of smoke and mirrors with what the actual end result is for the individual and what is prior rises rather than new ones!!)

NHS staff are still o! the pay deal so no pay rise other than the one in April. Please note that it wasn’t the golden deal the government said it was. We had years of no or minimal increases throughout austerity. (probably why they can’t recruit nationally) If our wages had risen in line with inflation the last 15 years, I would be on at least a couple thousand pounds more a year.

Some private companies have given bonuses or wage rises to keyworkers during this time. Yet health and care staff get a clap. Us NHS staff at least have a structure and some kind of benefits with pension and good leave/sick pay.Care staff is a whole other issue as it’s private but they absolute deserve better than the minimum wages they get for a bloody difficult job.

Let’s see how it works for negotiations. Would expect something similar to the 2/3% being given to other public sector workers.

BUT as people have stated there is no extra money in budgets to fund these public sector rises, councils are already reporting massive budget issues before and now with the pandemic. So it’s not all what it’s cracked up to be. Plus add tax rises and redundancies into the mix it won’t be pretty.

Typical isn't it. As soon as we get any kind of good thing happen to the public sector , people have to complain . When we didn't get any kind of pay rise for ELEVEN YEARS , no one spoke up for us , even though the private sector wages were going up . No , they just complained about our 'cushy ' pensions instead . People love the public sector when they need it , but no one ever wants to pay for it .

How awful for you. We own a wedding company and will be getting £0 this year until, and if, next year’s wedding kick off.
We’re living off our savings. I’d love to be moaning about a measly 4.4% pay rise.

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How awful for you. We own a wedding company and will be getting £0 this year until, and if, next year’s wedding kick off. We’re living off our savings. I’d love to be moaning about a measly 4.4% pay rise.

You wouldn't be saying that in any other year though would you? You'd be coining it in! Living off our savings Good for you! I'm a teacher and I don't have any savings or contingency money for when things go tits up. Public sector workers have been absolutely shat on since 2020.

I don't know where you work but 90 quid for parking per month.... I don't think so, I pay 20 for part time, and used to pay 30 for full time.

Agree, it's a separate issue.

It said on the news tonight that the nurses pre arranged pay rise only takes them back to a comparable 2010 standard when you compare cost of living. So in effect no pay rise for the last ten years!

Myothercarisalsoshit

I was a teacher for a number of years. The business was as running at a loss for the first two years and I continued to teach in order to keep us afloat while my husband worked to get the business off the ground. Then we had a few years of working to pay back the losses we’d incurred for the first few years and then the last three years have been profitable enough for me to start working in the business full-time and give up teaching. After having such a tough start, we put money away, just in case, and thankfully now have savings which should see us through.
Now is not the time to complain about not earning more money than you did last year. People are losing their jobs, their homes, their businesses that they’ve built from nothing.

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Myothercarisalsoshit

I was a teacher for a number of years. The business was as running at a loss for the first two years and I continued to teach in order to keep us afloat while my husband worked to get the business off the ground. Then we had a few years of working to pay back the losses we’d incurred for the first few years and then the last three years have been profitable enough for me to start working in the business full-time and give up teaching. After having such a tough start, we put money away, just in case, and thankfully now have savings which should see us through.
Now is not the time to complain about not earning more money than you did last year. People are losing their jobs, their homes, their businesses that they’ve built from nothing.

Oh and if the wedding sector is affected next year, I’ll be going back to teaching. “Coining it in” 🙄

Most of us nurses haven’t had anything much of a pay rise since the banks crashed. So it’s been a pay cut by inflation really over all these years. What op is talking about is We are in the third year of a pay deal that moved junior nurses more quickly though pay increments, while most of us got 1% or thereabouts. The 4.4% is junior staff. We haven’t had a covid pay deal.

We have needed a pay rise for 10 years (40,000 vacancies) and this isn’t it. I wouldn’t have been asking for one now with people losing jobs. But neither did we benefit when the private sector was doing well.

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Myothercarisalsoshit

I was a teacher for a number of years. The business was as running at a loss for the first two years and I continued to teach in order to keep us afloat while my husband worked to get the business off the ground. Then we had a few years of working to pay back the losses we’d incurred for the first few years and then the last three years have been profitable enough for me to start working in the business full-time and give up teaching. After having such a tough start, we put money away, just in case, and thankfully now have savings which should see us through.
Now is not the time to complain about not earning more money than you did last year. People are losing their jobs, their homes, their businesses that they’ve built from nothing.

So your business is profitable enough for you to have been able to pay two of you and put money away? That's the thing about having a business - you stand to make a lot of money if things go well but there is an element of risk involved (and luck). Everyone in the public sector is dependent on the government of the day increasing salaries. FWIW my partner lost his business in 2016 and is now a barman on minimum wage. My son was working in the arts and has been made redundant. My wages aren't going very far and haven't for a very long time. You see, on reading about your predicament my instinct wouldn't have been to say 'How awful for you' in such a horrible way. I would have had sympathy.

I don’t understand your argument. We have done well for a couple of years so it’s fair enough that we earn nothing for year or more while you moan about a pay rise?

No it was more of an attitude thing.
I'm glad you have done well.
You see there's the difference.

Can we just clear up the nurses pension malarky, I pay about 10% of my wage into my pension, I can opt out of it should I choose to do so, but I personally choose to pay into it, it is not a final salary pension and the age at which I can access it is 67. I have been a nurse for nearly 20 years and earn top of the lowest band, so just over £30k.