Help me understand "9th in line to throne"

[LittleHootie]

Following Beatrice getting married, the news refers to her as 9th in line. So does that mean these people would have to die before she was queen...

Queen 0
Charles 1
Wills 2
George 3
Anne 4
Peter 5
Peter kid 6
Andrew 7
Eugenie 8
Queen BEE 9

I have no faith at all in my guesses. Harry must be above her. Hmmm

@DancingInDespair

I'm pretty sure it's been 40 or 50 years since the catholic church changed that policy. Their spouse no longer needs to agree to raise the children as catholic.

"God save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, Long live Mrs. Ethel Shroake, God save Mrs. Ethel Shroake of 393A High Street, Leytonstone".

You're right, BobbieDraper. I married in the 1970s, DH was Catholic, I wasn't. We married in his church. The priest was quite clear that I did not have to agree to any children being raised as Catholic.

I suppose the only problem that would occur is if a child decided to be confirmed into the Catholic church and continue that as an adult, in which case they'd exclude themselves from the succession.

Here's the top 100. I can't say that I've heard of many of them.....

1. Charles, The Prince of Wales (b. 1948)
2. HRH Prince William of Wales, The Duke of Cambridge (b. 1982)
3. HRH Prince George of Cambridge (b. 2013)
4. HRH Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (b. 2015)
5. HRH Prince Louis of Cambridge (b. 2018)
6. Prince Henry of Wales (Harry), The Duke of Sussex (b. 1984)
7. Archie Mountbatten-Windsor (b. 2019)
8. HRH Prince Andrew, The Duke of York (b. 1960)
9. HRH Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988)

10. HRH Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990) 11. HRH Prince Edward (b. 1964) 12. James, Viscount Severn (b. 2007) 13. Lady Louise Windsor (b. 2003) 14. HRH Princess Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1950) 15. Peter Phillips (b. 1977) 16. Savannah Phillips (b. 2010) 17. Isla Phillips (b. 2012) 18. Zara Tindall (Phillips) (b. 1981) 19. Mia Grace Tindall (b. 2014) 20. Lena Elizabeth Tindall (b. 2018) 21. David Armstrong-Jones, Earl of Snowdon (b. 1961) 22. Charles Armstrong Jones, Viscount Linley (b. 1999) 23. Lady Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b. 2002) 24. Lady Sarah Chatto (b. 1964) 25. Samuel Chatto (b. 1996) 26. Arthur Chatto (b. 1999) 27. HRH Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944) 28. Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (b. 1974) 29. Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden (b. 2007) 30. Lady Cosima Windsor (b. 2010) 31. Lady Davina Windsor (b. 1977) 32. Senna Lewis (b. 2010) 33. Tane Mahuta Lewis (b. 2012) 34. Lady Rose Gilman (b. 1980) 35. Lyla Gilman (b. 2010) 36. Rufus Gilman (b. 2012) 37. HRH Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (b. 1935) 38. George Windsor, Earl of St. Andrews (b. 1962) Edward Windsor, Baron Downpatrick (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) Lady Marina Charlotte Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) 39. Lady Amelia Windsor (b. 1995) Lord Nicholas Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) Albert Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic) Leopold Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic) Louis Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic) 40. Lady Helen Taylor (b. 1964) 41. Columbus Taylor (b. 1994) 42. Cassius Taylor (b. 1996) 43. Eloise Taylor (b. 2003) 44. Estella Taylor (b 2004) 45. Prince Michael of Kent (b. 1942) 46. Lord Frederick Windsor (b 1979) 47. Maud Windsor (b. 2013) 48. Isabella Windsor (b. 2016) 49. Lady Gabriella Kingston (b. 1981) 50. HRH Princess Alexandra the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (b. 1936) 51. James Ogilvy (b. 1964) 52. Alexander Ogilvy (b. 1996) 53. Flora Ogilvy (b. 1994) 54. Marina Ogilvy, Mrs Paul Mowatt (b. 1966) 55. Christian Mowatt (b. 1993) 56. Miss Zenouska Mowatt (b. 1990) 57. David Lascelles, 8th Earl of Harewood (b. 1950) 58. Alexander Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (b. 1980) 59. Ivy Lascelles (b. 2018) 60. Hon. Edward Lascelles (b. 1982) 61. Hon. James Lascelles (b. 1953) 62. Rowan Lascelles (b. 1977) 63. Tewa Lascelles (b. 1985) 64. (son of Tewa) Lascelles (b. 2014) 65. Sophie Lascelles (b. 1973) 66. Hon. Jeremy Lascelles (b. 1955) 67. Thomas Lascelles (b. 1982) 68. Cleo Lascelles (b. 2017) 69. Ellen Lascelles (b. 1984) 70. Amy Lascelles (b. 1986) 71. Tallulah Lascelles (b. 2005) 72. Henry Lascelles (b. 1953) 73. Maximilian Lascelles (b. 1991) 74. David Carnegie, 4th Duke of Fife (b. 1961) 75. Charles Duff Carnegie, Earl of Southesk (b. 1989) 76. Lord George William Carnegie (b. 1991) 77. Lord Hugh Alexander Carnegie (b. 1993) 78. Lady Alexandra Etherington (b. 1959) 79. Amelia Mary Carnegie Etherington (b. 2001) 80. HM King Harald V of Norway (b. 1937) 81. HRH Crown Prince Haakon of Norway (b. 1973) 82. HH Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway (b. 2005) 83. HRH Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway (b. 2004) 84. Princess Martha Louise of Norway (b.. 1971) 85. Maud Angelica Behn (b. 2003) 86. Leah Isadora Behn (b. 2005) 87. Emma Talullah Behn (b. 2008) 88. Haakon Lorentzen (b. 1954)) 89. Olav Lorentzen (b. 1985) 90. Christian Lorentzen (1988) 91. Sophia Lorentzen (b. 1994) 92. Ingeborg Ribeiro (b. 1957) 93. Victoria Ribeiro (b. 1988) 94. Ragnhild Lorentzen Long (b. 1968)) 95. Alexandra Lorentzen Long (b. 2007) 96. Elizabeth Lorentzen Long (b. 2011) 97. HH Princess Astrid of Norway (b. 1932) 98. Alexander Ferner (b. 1965) 99. Stella Ferner (b. 1998) 100. Carl-Christian Ferner (b. 1972)

I'm surprised there's never been a British version of Designated Survivor, where the entire Royal Family gets wiped out in a terrorist attack and some randomer that nobody's ever heard of moves into Buck Palace and becomes monarch

I think it's awful Anne isn't up there. She has worked tirelessly.
And she's straightforward and decent.
I know the rules did change but it's not fair on Anne.

it would be worth getting rid of everyone down to number 80 so we can have the Norwegians in charge - Harald is pretty cool & Haakon is a hottie ;)

Something I've always wondered: say Charles and Camilla had a baby now, how would the child slot into the list? I appreciate not likely!

Also: if someone in the line with children died, the children would still retain their place in the pecking order wouldn't they?

Carpetshagger Here’s your answer

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqu5uj7g15s&list=PLBKfErliSueMgZjjVzFywhDcNFWyLYNVZ&index=7&t=0s

If someone in the line of succession dies then their child moves "up the charts".

Wish Diana was still here

One little factoid - Peter Philips’ Canadian wife (or ex? I think they’re divorced) converted to Anglicanism (she was RC) so her husband and children could still be on the list. I found that quite curious. Like why do they care when they aren’t likely to become the monarch, especially with Annie at #14 when she should be at #8?!

Would adopted children be in the line of succession? I can imagine Harry and Meghan possibly doing that further down the line, like Angelina or Madonna.

Zara no adopted and step children not blood related to the crown don't inherit. So Beatrice step son will not come in to the succession, but if Beatrice a royal Princess has a biological child, they enter the succession.

They literally do need to have "royal blood"

It's archaic but, it is what it is.

Who's Ann?

@Carpetshagger

Something I've always wondered: say Charles and Camilla had a baby now, how would the child slot into the list? I appreciate not likely!

Also: if someone in the line with children died, the children would still retain their place in the pecking order wouldn't they?

They'd be a younger sibling to William and Harry so they'd slot in after Archie and before Andrew.

The children retain their place yes. That's generally how they move up a job

Thanks MaleficentsCrow interesting.

I think it's awful Anne isn't up there. She has worked tirelessly.
And she's straightforward and decent.
I know the rules did change but it's not fair on Anne

I have wondered about this, she was the only royal not to take on titles for either of her children and I think she probably does not want to be properly in line, which is looking less and less likely for Andrew now (even if you ignore his history) I think her children have lived a normal life as possible compared to some of the others.

I also have wondered whether Harry would abdicate if it came down to it.

Well, Camilla had a hysterectomy not long after she marriedI Chas so the third baby thing has flown. And C and C are both in their 70 s and thereabouts so no little surprises for them. Can I put on record that I’m a long-time Republican and I’m appalled at my knowledge of this bunch of weirdos. Enough already.

@ChiefClerkDrumknott

@lyralalala thanks!

Zara chose to become mrs tindall and as the royal family are big into tradition her name is mrs Michael tindall. If anybody called me mrs dh first name surname I’d throttle them even though I’ve chosen to take his surname

If your husband was a prince you would Princess his name, which is how you get Princess Micheal. Kate Middleton is Princess William as well as being a Duchess.

I wouldn't feel sorry for Anne, she seems to have been happy to drop sown the rankings, I don't think she particularly wanted to be royal.

I love this sort of trivia.

To all those saying how awful that Anne isn't higher up the list - yes, she works hard, yes, she seems sane and probably has no skeletons in the closet, yes, she would make an excellent monarch - but I bet she's delighted it isn't going to happen. She must have a lot more freedom to do what she likes in between Royal duties and it's pretty clear from the decisions she took about her children that she didn't want them to inherit either. No titles, from the off. Rather a contrast to the loathsome Andrew.

If you want to waste more time have a look at the protocols for who bows / curtsies to whom.

And it's not as simple as knowing who is higher in rank, it depends who they are with eg Beatrice has to curtsy to the Cambridge when they are together, but if William isn't there KM has to curtsy to Bea.

And it's not as simple as knowing who is higher in rank, it depends who they are with eg Beatrice has to curtsy to the Cambridge when they are together, but if William isn't there KM has to curtsy to Bea.

This is actually not true. RF etiquette does not require people of the same rank to curtsy or bow to each other. All HRH's are the same rank, either by birth or marriage, though they have different places in the line of succession.