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Absolutely at the end of my tether. Dog out of control, including biting. Please help

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Mojitoonthebeach · 15/07/2020 11:44

Hi,

I already have this running in the Doghouse, but thought I'd also post here for traffic.

We have 2 dogs. One is a rescue who we've had for 18 months and one lab x cocker, who we've had from a puppy.

The rescue is an absolute dream and settled in very well. Asserted herself with our lab and they both know where they stand with each other. They're both almost 4.

Our lab x is an absolutely beautiful dog. She's incredibly clever andcanbe lovely. Generally though, she is an absolute nightmare and I don't know what to do anymore.

She barks A LOT. Sometimes at us, with a warning growl beforehand. She digs up the garden in a frenzied manner, when she races around out of control. She learns new tricks very easily and does get certain commands, but if I told her to go to her bed, if she didn't want to, she wouldn't. I feel like she believes she is in charge.

Worst of all, she has bitten on several occasions and her bite is very hard. Often breaking the skin and leaving a bruise, sometimes drawing blood. That has always been out of fear/being startled, so we can keep that under control, but still, it's very upsetting. Her trigger is having her collar grabbed or if she is asleep and you went to grab something from underneath her. A remote for example, on the days that she was allowed on the sofa for a cuddle. We've since stopped allowing this, as it's just too risky. She is allowed up, but not on the same sofa that we are on.

We also have a cat and they can't be near each other. If she sees her in the garden, she will absolutely lose her mind and almost squeal to get out. She has already scratched up our new internal door to pieces.

Basically she's just making our daily lives incredibly difficult and I hate to say, as much as we love her, we're just not enjoying her.

The last time she bit was the other day. My dp was trying to keep her away from our cat (ongoing daily battle) and she grabbed her collar and straight away she bit and hard. Dp knew she shouldn't have grabbed her collar, but it was instinct to keep her away from our cat.

We have had a dog behaviourist in who basically said that we need to concentrate mostly on her mental stimulation, which we do, but sometimes we would just like to sit in the garden and relax and not have to constantly keep her entertained with new tricks etc. If we don't, we get barked or growled at. It's also not good for our neighbours, although I hope they can hear that we are working on it and not just letting her crack on and bark on a loop.

Please, any advice would be very much appreciated. We are losing our minds tbh.

TIA

OP posts:
Juiceey · 15/07/2020 17:39

We're a two wife household and pup behaves better with men too! God knows why!

Itsjustabitofbanter · 15/07/2020 17:41

The main problem is still the exercise imo. It is literally physically impossible to tire these dogs out by walking them on the lead. They NEED to be let off to work/run EVERY day, if not twice plus a day! Did you do any research at all op? They are also two of the most highly trainable breeds. You’ve seriously gone wrong somewhere with this dog. I suspect that this dogs never really had sufficient exercise in its life, you’ve therefore never managed to get anywhere with training this wild ball of frustrated energy, so the dogs ended up completely out of control and now everyone’s at the end of their tether. You need to seriously consider whether you can ever give the dog what it needs. It’s frustration is now coming out as aggression, you could end up with an injured human/animal and a euthanised dog. Personally I’d look into working dog training/agility/some sort of sport you both enjoy. Find a professional that will go right back to basics with you and get this dog trained and exercised properly. Right now you are failing the dog and it’s not fair, it could literally cost the dog it’s life!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 15/07/2020 17:48

The frustrated athlete thing is a thing, but it's not going to be a thing for a dog that's only walked for 30 minutes a day.

Our lab x is walked twice daily, one is a quieter, slow-paced walk with lots of sniffing and snuffling, one is usually a bit brisker and will involve ball chasing, practicing recall etc. 40 minutes for each, which isn't that much longer than you're doing, but it's the quality of the walk that's important.

I think you need another behaviourist and I think you need to follow through and put the time in, or you need to remove her.

Meanwhile, a loose line in the house will give you the control you need if you need to pull her off somewhere or someone without touching her collar.

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TheDoctorDances · 15/07/2020 17:59

Are there any agility classes near you? It’s brilliant for both mental and physical stimulation.

Also, have you looked at diet? My dog is like a child on blue smarties if he’s fed anything with colours in. Some dog foods are pretty much cereal and sugar. I got him on a raw diet a few years ago (with a bit of reading up) and he was like a different dog within weeks.

Cherrysoup · 15/07/2020 18:54

@TheDoctorDances is right about food. Don’t feed any brand you can get in the supermarket. None of it (IMO) is of decent quality.

79andnotout · 15/07/2020 18:58

One of my rescue dogs (greyhound) bites. If you sleep startle her she will snap. If she's anxious and distressed she will snap. If you try to physically move her off a defensive position (sofa or bed), she snaps. There's no warning growl just straight in there.

We've learned not to approach her when she's asleep or in bed without giving her verbal warning (she sleeps with her eyes open so it can be hard to tell).
We request her to move from her defensive position (sofa or bed) and reward with treats.
We read the small cues that indicate she's in a state of distress.

With the help of a behaviourist we learnt pretty quickly, and she's happily lived in our home for five years now. We don't have kids (and don't let her near any) and we warn visitors to never approach her, let her come to them if she wants to, and it's been fine. We knew if we sent her back to the kennels, she'd probably be put down, and that would break my heart as it's not her fault she's anxious, and apart from that she's a lovely pet. Sometimes these things just need the right home and some careful management.

My other greyhound is Mr Chill and wouldn't dream of snapping at anyone. He would happily leave home tail wagging frantically with anyone who gave him a walk or hotdog.

Tappering · 15/07/2020 19:54

@79andnotout mine are like that as well. One will happily go up to anyone and spends all of his time reaching. The other can be very moody and if she's in the wrong mood, will bite you if you don't handle her carefully.

Mojitoonthebeach · 16/07/2020 14:00

@TheDoctorDances, yes there are and we were all signed up for weekly classes, but then...covid. I'm not sure if they're up and running yet, but we're all paid up, so as soon as they are, we'll be there.

Regarding diet, they're both on a mix of wet and dry Harringtons. I thought this was a good quality brand. She used to be on Bakers Complete when we first had her Confused

To those saying she doesn't have enough exercise, well no, I agree she doesn't, but it's much easier said than done when you have a dog with no re call and that's not to say we haven't tried really hard with that, but you need to be 100% sure that nobody else is around before letting her off and that it's completely enclosed.

I briefly spoke to another behaviourist over the phone in the middle of lockdown and they said I'd be very irresponsible to let her off the lead at all. We do when all is secure and then she can have a proper run. We need to find a field that we can hire actually.

I know something isn't working. I know we clearly haven't done everything right, but all we can do now is try to help the situation. We aren't bad owners. We love her to bits and we are being proactive with trying to help her.

OP posts:
Bluesheep8 · 16/07/2020 14:27

I feel sorry for your poor cat.

I was thinking exactly the same Confused
Amazed the cat hasn't left home.

Mojitoonthebeach · 16/07/2020 14:40

@Bluesheep8, so do I.

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Lalaok · 16/07/2020 15:00

Why would you get a car and a dog who hate each other?
Just irresponsible

Lalaok · 16/07/2020 15:01

Cat*

Mojitoonthebeach · 16/07/2020 15:24

@Lalaok, is that a genuine question?

OP posts:
Mojitoonthebeach · 16/07/2020 15:27

....if it is, short answer is, we didn't.

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BarbedBloom · 16/07/2020 15:42

I am no expert but my husband had a cooker and it was very high energy. It had three hour long walks a day and it also needed a lot of mental stimulation, such as puzzles.

I also agree with the idea of positive reinforcement, so making the collar associated with something nice

BarbedBloom · 16/07/2020 15:44

Cooker? Cocker

Lara53 · 16/07/2020 16:15

I don’t think 30 min - 1 hour is enough exercise. I grew up with spaniels and they needed a minimum of 3 hours exercise off lead per day. My golden retriever needs 2.5/3 hours a day plus brain games

Bluesheep8 · 16/07/2020 16:50

Was the cat there first? Please consider rehoming it.

Poppinjay · 16/07/2020 17:12

It sounds like you need to try different lengths of walks and work out what helps. As well as fields you could try riding stables with indoor schools you could hire or even tennis courts.

You need to correct her for chasing the cat but also reward her for not chasing it. When she sees it through a window or when it's somewhere inaccessible, encourage her to look at you and reward her for doing it. Have you taught her the leave command? That can help.

Kongs and toys you can fill with treats they have to work for can help too.

I agree with teaching her gently that having her collar held is nothing to be scared of.

I hope you can find a better behaviourist soon.

StopChelping · 16/07/2020 17:36

OP, is there anyone in your area who is an ACE (Animal Centred Education)/Tellington Touch practitioner?

They may be just what you’re looking for.

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