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Slight tweak to the suggestion, but here it is.

Nothingiswrong I hope the gp can help. I had a really bad day again recently and it feels horrible so solidarity.

@chocolatesweets
I think another lockdown would be much easier in winter..it’s colder..people aren’t so keen to go out
I struggle in winter anyway as sometimes don’t go out for a couple of days
It’s why I’ve been so determined to get out and about through this lockdown

A friend of mone is going into hospital for minor surgery. Has to self isolate for 2 weeks before and after.
Cruel
There must be an easier way than this

I think another lockdown would be much easier in winter..it’s colder..people aren’t so keen to go out

True but keeping kids cooped up inside is hell imo.

@Ibake

You're right *@tea*. Just went onto NHS and Govt sites to read more. Have to say it's written really badly though and there is still lots of talk on there about 14 days if someone in your bubble tests positive. Surely they should be saying, go and get tested asap instead?

The issue is that if you have symptoms you can get tested and if negative, get on with your life. If you are in close contact with someone who tests positive but have no symptoms, you have to SI for 14 days. I just can’t see people complying. Who is going to pay for their 14 days off work while they’re symptomless? As a PP says, you’re better off pretending you have symptoms, getting a test then going back to work or whatever.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I think another lockdown would be much easier in winter..it’s colder..people aren’t so keen to go out

True but keeping kids cooped up inside is hell imo.

God yes, dreading the thought of a winter lockdown with three young kids. I think it would finish me off.

@Dowser true it would be easier. Really depressing though

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

I would pretend we all have coughs so at least we'd get tested and then if negative we'd hopefully be able to get out.

I think that's the only way forward in all this. If they now have results available 10 hours after the test happens it shouldn't be required of anyone to sit at home isolating for 14 whole days when a quick test could tell people if that's necessary. It's the only way I think we can get through winter with school bubbles functioning and not causing chaos with kids and their families repeatedly needing to stay at home.

I have to agree with this. Hoping to resume my research degree in the autumn but I have no idea how I will manage it if we have to keep isolating every 2 weeks! DD2 who is turning 3 in October started nursery in January and she had round after round of colds/sniffles/bugs (just the usual building up immunity) and if we have again this winter she will basically never go. I don't know.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I think another lockdown would be much easier in winter..it’s colder..people aren’t so keen to go out

True but keeping kids cooped up inside is hell imo.

Yup. It was hell in April and May but I managed it because good weather. I can't do it in the winter. I literally cannot do it.

I know @ineedaholidaynow and that's what I did on Saturday by changing my number but now I know that's not the case I wouldn't do that again. Clearer comms needed, written in plain English - so much waffle on there you'd swear BoJo had written it himself - and maybe we'd all toe the line. Trouble is track and trace relies on trust in the process and the govt have managed to destroy any reputation for honesty they might have had at the start.

I feel the same. Incredibly hard the first time but the weather helped a lot.

I couldn't do it again either. I dont think most people could.

The problem is that the Dementors have identified children as the one group in society that can't fight back.

If you close down their things and ban them from all open public space, you can force them (and their mothers) into lockdown.

And when it comes down to it, that's all the lockdown they ever wanted.

@Nihiloxica

The problem is that the Dementors have identified children as the one group in society that can't fight back.

If you close down their things and ban them from all open public space, you can force them (and their mothers) into lockdown.

And when it comes down to it, that's all the lockdown they ever wanted.

So depressingly true.

😭

Yup. It was hell in April and May but I managed it because good weather. I can't do it in the winter. I literally cannot do it

I couldn't do it again. Not in good weather and definitely not in bad. I'm finding the changeable weather right now is having a massive impact on my mood, and that's with long, light evenings. If it was cold and dark and wet, no, I really, absolutely couldn't. I'd rather not be here and I'm a buoyant person usually. My heart goes out to people who struggle to stay on an even keel in ordinary times (my DH is one)

No I also couldn't do it in winter. I would be at serious risk with my mental health. The only reason I managed to get through everything in spring was because of the sunshine and my daily walks. Last winter it rained and rained here and the fields were a mud bath. It was demoralising and depressing and I sink in winter a bit anyway. I could not shut down and not see anyone for weeks to months on end. I don't have a children/partner. Most of my friends live a bit of a stretch away.

@Nihiloxica

The problem is that the Dementors have identified children as the one group in society that can't fight back.

If you close down their things and ban them from all open public space, you can force them (and their mothers) into lockdown.

And when it comes down to it, that's all the lockdown they ever wanted.

This is depressing but true, and really hitting the nail on the head for me. DH experience of lockdown has been totally different to mine, no 2hours of commuting to London, and working in his comfy home office and seeing the kids for a quick cuddle whenever he wants but not when he doesn't, and leisurely dog walk in the morning, work till 730pm and then a quick kiss to the girls good night. He loves it. I don't know how I got through lockdown. I adore my kids but lockdown affected me because I couldn't take the kids out and I was in charge 24/7. And if they close outdoor spaces and garden centers and schools again it only impacts me.

@BlackberryViolet
I said to Mr Dowser yesterday
I can see a situation develop ( quite quickly) where people have been given a bit of freedom and then want the rest back.
Hence the power grab By the young ones with raves, booze, parties, music gatherings.
I don’t blame them.

When I go to the shops I just ignore all the stupid markings.
I said to the staff member in in smiths the other day, if you had barricaded the aisle off ( think long straight lines from post office at back to door) I could’ve cut through to another aisle and avoided passing another customer Who was choosing a book within a couPle of feet of him.

Bloody ridiculous. I’m an adult ffs. Been driving 47 years, I know how to move from space to space without colliding with someone
Stop treating me like a child ffs

@FrugiFan
Love your gran. My sort of person.i hope to be like her in 30 years time.
Gorgeous day in N Yorks..we might stay another night 👍

A winter lockdown would be a disaster for us. DH makes about 2/3 of his profits September to Christmas. First half of the year is mostly quiet but then he is flat out 6 days a week. Besides, I don't think I could cope with him hanging around the house anymore. He was doing my head in when he had no bookings. At least I don't have children to factor in as well, I would probably end up committing a crime just to get away.

@RobinHobb
I feel for you and all mothers too thatve been pushed into this situation.
It would’ve been mine too had I still had young children, which of course was manageable with schools, nursery, outdoor spaces, toddler groups..and my lovely mum.

We must never let this happen again
I feel a Mothers Action Group coming on.

@TrustTheGeneGenie
Absolutely gene genie and I for one will definitely not be advocating it.
I want to get to Tenerife in October and December
I still haven’t booked my flights yet

Like many things had track and trace been implemented sooner, I'd have done my civic duty as required. But now I'm absolutely fucked ( excuse my language) if me or my family is going to stay in because of a virus we've already had - but can't get confirmation even if we pay for it ourselves.

I feel like a horrible person, I'm now totally reduced to a position of I'll do what's right for me and my family, and if it impacts old or vulnerable people - well they've had enough warning to stay in. They can do what my parents do and simply don't go out - DM says she'd rather do that indefinitely than have everyone else including her DGS having to do it.

Morning all you murdering bastards.

Had a lovely night in the pod. Went for a thai at a pub nearby. It was very busy but organised. Staff were amazing. They were still managing to have banter with locals through their masks.

We're off on next part of our jaunt today...lovely Swaledale.

Sorry some of you are struggling. I hope things improve soon

I feel like a horrible person, I'm now totally reduced to a position of I'll do what's right for me and my family, and if it impacts old or vulnerable people - well they've had enough warning to stay in. They can do what my parents do and simply don't go out - DM says she'd rather do that indefinitely than have everyone else including her DGS having to do it

I feel exactly the same way.

Thanks @TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair. I'm anxious about silly things like driving and finding parking in the city by myself. But really looking forward to lazing one a hotel and just wandering round looking at city life. Coffees outside, cheap wine, bread and cheese. And I have loads to read, can't concentrate but hopefully on holiday.

And thanks all you murderers for solo holiday support!

Oh, and @HesterShaw1 hope work goes ok.