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A lot of playgrounds will not re-open on 4th July

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Missmidden · 30/06/2020 18:37

I am a member of my local parish council and have spent much of the last few days arguing with my fellow councillors over the government guidance for the re-opening of playgrounds. However I have just lost the battle and our village playground will remain shut, which I am very unhappy about. My understanding is that many other parish and town council run playgrounds will take the same approach.

The reason for this is that the guidance is complex and vague, but when read by cautious people has been interpreted as unworkable. For example, it requires frequent sanitation of all touch areas which, for a small playground with no paid staff is not possible.

For reference, our parish council has responsibility for various allotments, park and roadside benches and gates crossing footpaths. There has been no guidance that these need regular cleaning despite being obvious "touch points". So it seems that children lose out once again from overly onerous guidance.

When the government announced that playgrounds were to open there was no mention of the guidance stopping this for many, so I fully expect there to be a great deal of anger when this news gets out, quite possibly directed at parish councillors like myself.

My request is for anyone who cares about this to e-mail your MP, local councils and anyone else to make your feelings known. I have done my best locally and contacted my own MP, but believe we need more noise about this nationally if there is any chance of the guidance being changed so that playgrounds can re-open as soon as possible.

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Oblomov20 · 03/07/2020 03:56

I agree with UltimateWednesday:
"Is there any evidence that anyone has ever caught covid from a "surface"?"

I suspect not. Else the whole Covid virus would spread like wildfire in hospitals, supermarkets. Schools.

Only it hasn't! Hmm

Davodia · 03/07/2020 08:45

Is there any evidence that anyone has ever caught covid from a "surface"?
That’s not the issue. It’s more that playground owners are afraid of the extremely stiff penalties for not complying with public health guidance on playgrounds, which is too extensive and costly to actually comply with. Hopefully now that the guidance is being rewritten more playgrounds can reopen.

ListeningQuietly · 03/07/2020 09:15

Are there ANY outbreaks associated with hard surfaces?

Hospitals are full of sick people coughing

Paddingtonthebear · 03/07/2020 09:19

Our council are opening play areas from tomorrow (except splash parks) and just recommend regular hand washing, no mention they will be cleaning the equipment regularly

MaudesMum · 03/07/2020 09:49

Our Council are opening play parks and outdoor gyms tomorrow, and have a short and clear list of advice about this on their website - which makes it clear they won't be cleaning equipment, and therefore it is up to people to clean their hands before and after using equipment.

onedayinthefuture · 03/07/2020 09:51

I don't understand why the councils are so worried about being liable, how could you ever prove it was caught from a surface?

onedayinthefuture · 03/07/2020 09:51

I don't understand why the councils are so worried about being liable, how could you ever prove it was caught from a surface?

Davodia · 03/07/2020 11:24

I don't understand why the councils are so worried about being liable
If the council isn’t visibly complying with government health and safety guidelines, the Health and Safety Executive can issue an enforcement notice and impose penalties. Councils are worried about getting in trouble with the government and being fined or prosecuted. Not being sued by individuals who, as you say, couldn’t prove where they caught Covid.

ListeningQuietly · 03/07/2020 11:30

Davodia is correct

and there is a whole industry of suing councils
because people assume they are rich

bashcrashfall · 03/07/2020 12:58

@onedayinthefuture our local council was sued by the parents of a child who had got hurt playing on a bike rack in the car park.

A previous school I worked at was sued on such a regular basis it was a non-event, one of the more ridiculous ones being an 11-12 year old who broke their arm jumping off a bench in the playground. Apparently the school should have supervised them better.

However ridiculous and even if these claims don't succeed, its still a huge amount of time and money wasted every time. So yes, councils are cautious about liability. Especially the parish councils that are all run by volunteers and have to come to their own conclusions about what is safe and legal as they don't have a legal department and government, insurers and national bodies are providing advice that is incredibly vague and unhelpful.

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