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Thread 3 shielding chat

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AuntieSocia1 · 19/06/2020 17:39

I hope this unimaginative thread title doesn't put off all the amazing posters from this group!

As we transition into this new phase things could get interesting....

Waves to lurkers

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Teaistheanswer · 02/11/2020 18:35

Wonder when the guidelines will be updated, fed up of checking them now Hmm Just want some clarity. Appreciate that this is probably a big ask!

TooFondOfBooks · 02/11/2020 19:53

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Egghead68 · 02/11/2020 20:17

No - I tell a lie. Not updated I don’t think except to say national restrictions in effect from 5 nov.

Egghead68 · 02/11/2020 20:21

The only bit added is this link

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Teaistheanswer · 03/11/2020 09:37

Headteacher asked me to speak to my GP so I did. They've not received any guidance at all and although I remain high-risk they have no idea what to advise. Beginning to experience a sense of déjà vu. Anyone else had any luck getting anywhere with what we are supposed to do if we cannot wfh? I feel that in the case of. 'schools must stay open' they are going to be very reluctant for any staff to be off as it's inevitable that staff will be missing due to self-isolating and we are already running on minimal staff after those who left were not replaced.

Egghead68 · 03/11/2020 12:40

I think the guidance is clear that we are advised not to go to work and that we may be eligible for SSP or ESA if we can’t work from home.

It sucks.

Poppystars · 03/11/2020 17:55

How strange that pubs etc closed equals 80% pay for not working.
Whereas teachers may be on ssp, but how many will set lessons in that time, create resources, attend virtual meetings?

BeyondsConstantBangingHeadache · 04/11/2020 15:50

Thanks for the good wishes 💐

DW is sleeping a lot, constant headache and when she starts coughing she can't stop. No fever yet though. Test has been with the lab for 24hrs so hopefully won't be too long til we get a result.

I also have a constant headache (a new one - my old one had actually gone and I hadn't changed my name yet 😂) and my chest is tight/pain in my side under my ribs. Feel like I don't have enough air so have to keep taking deep breaths. None of the three major symptoms though so no test for me yet. Unless DW tests positive, in which case I'll order one. Though I don't know if I'd even get a fever on my meds, given I'm sure that's the bit of the immune response that they target...? Weird; who knows. I've been ill a few times since I've been on them, but in none of those did I have a proper fever...???

DCs are staying with their dad until we have the result at the earliest, if not for the full two weeks (weighed up with the fact that they'd have to isolate too anyway)

AuntieSocia1 · 04/11/2020 16:09

im still being told to follow same advice in Scotland as general population -with extra precautions-despite being in a high infection rate area.

I've decided to have a more strict self imposed shielding for the next few weeks as I'm sure it's going that way anyway.

Here we go again

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BeyondsConstantBangingHeadache · 04/11/2020 16:14

This is my letter in wales...

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Outnumberedwoman · 04/11/2020 16:25

@AuntieSocia1 shielders in northern ireland are the same. We have no new advice other than "be careful!" Totally ridiculous. A local GP and head of the BMA in NI yesterday pleaded with our leaders to extend the circuit breaker lockdown and not to reopen as planned next week. Our hospitals are at over 95% capacity and ICU beds are nearly all gone. Ventilators too. Health care staff are on their knees. All over social media people are pleading with our leaders and health minister to reinstate shielding or at least mention us to prove we havent been forgotten. Despite all this there is nothing but silence. It speaks louder than any words or press release.

Outnumberedwoman · 04/11/2020 16:30

Scratch that. Breaking local news says that our hospital occupancy rate here in NI is now 101%. I am now totally terrified. I dont want to take my boys to school tomorrow. I want to stay in bed. Pull the duvet over my head and keep the doors locked.

AuntieSocia1 · 04/11/2020 16:35

@Outnumberedwoman my dc are in school and nursery too. It's so hard to know what to do for the best. Under the duvet is as good a plan as any! BrewCake

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UnholyStramash · 04/11/2020 17:23

Hello, everyone. I’m sorry so many of you having uncertainty esp the teachers in England. I’m sorry too for those of you who have been exposed to virus by the NHS whileECV. Shocking. Particularly Sad to see @BeyondsConstantBangingHeadache is now unwell after their DW exposed. I hope you both feel much better soon.

I’m in Scotland so no mega-lockdown yet. I’m in a tier 2 area which helps my anxiety. Listened to FM’s briefing today - Jason Leitch, Scottish Clinical Director,said something about shielding. Something like following the guidance for your tier very carefully and then some. I’ve mislaid the letter I had last but there was a useful chart with or two extra pointers. Like not entering a one metre zone at all. I’m still hobnobbing with the family at home. Sitting beside DH on the couch just now and he’s going to supermarkets still. It’s all a bit confusing. I still don’t eat my meals directly opposite the others esp DS2 who talks a lot!! The chart from scotgov might be useful for others in rUK or elsewhere too.

All the best to everyone. I hope you all have sensible and sensitive employers/managers. I’ve never been so happy to be on the scrap heap with my knitting and the internet.Hmm

UnholyStramash · 04/11/2020 17:24

Btw I agree about Larry being put in charge. I’m hoping the US can have a Larry-type too.

UnholyStramash · 04/11/2020 17:29

@Outnumberedwoman, sending hugs after reading your last post. Yes, under the duvet is the job. I get what you say about keeping your boys off. It’s a hard call especially with your younger one’s additional needs. If I thought I could cope I’d probably pause going to school for the rest of the week. It’s a tough call though.

Flossie44 · 04/11/2020 17:32

Just had call from my dc’s school. Told me they can’t return unless I have a consultant letter to say they are safe to.

Apparently shielding has resumed as of tomorrow!

UnholyStramash · 04/11/2020 17:35

They ALL need to find new terminology. They can’t go through the whole shielding not resuming shtick and then tell us we’re all still at high risk and have to take extra precautions. It’s just so confusing for everyone.

@Teaistheanswer, your GP needs to just sign you off till things are clearer. The unfairness of it all is so horrid.

Like @Poppystars says, the unevenness of the financial support is so unfair too.

ginglebellsginglebells · 04/11/2020 18:25

I’m so confused at the moment. My Headteacher also asked me to call my GP. I could only speak with the receptionist tonight, who told me to check my original shielding letter for the wording.

It doesn’t use the terms ‘clinically vulnerable’ at all, but the links for further advice say ‘coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable’. Has anyone had any definitive advice on whether receiving this letter back in March means you’re still considered ECV or not?

I’m working from home tomorrow morning until I can actually talk to my doctor, but it’s making things difficult with work, as longer term WFH means I can’t cover other teachers, as I would be doing normally.

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BeyondsConstantBangingHeadache · 04/11/2020 19:09

Thank you unholy 💐

So... DW got her results and they were negative. I remain unconvinced though - I know how high the false negatives are

NervousInYorkshire · 04/11/2020 19:22

This has dropped into my email inbox just now:

Department of Health & Social Care/Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government

Date: 04-11-2020

Your NHS number:

Dear _,

On 31 October, the Prime Minister announced new national restrictions to help control the spread of COVID-19. We are writing to you because you have previously been identified as someone thought to be clinically extremely vulnerable and at highest risk of becoming very unwell if you catch COVID-19. This letter contains important advice on how to protect yourself and how to access further support.

Coronavirus cases are rising rapidly across the whole of the UK, and that is why, from 5 November until 2 December, the Government has taken the following action:

Requiring people to stay at home, except for specific purposes.
Preventing gathering with people you do not live with, except for specific purposes.
Closing certain businesses and venues, like hospitality and non-essential retail.
The new national restrictions are rules that apply to everyone and which everyone must follow. The full details of these rules can be found online at www.gov.uk/coronavirus.

*In addition, the Government is issuing new guidance to clinically extremely vulnerable people. This is set out in the following pages. Whilst this is not a return to the very restrictive shielding advice you may have followed earlier in the year, you are strongly advised to follow these extra precautionary shielding measures to help keep yourself safe. This remains advice, not the law.

You should stay at home as much as possible but are encouraged to go outdoors for exercising and attending health appointments. You are strongly advised to work from home. If you cannot work from home, then you should not attend work. You may be eligible for the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (furlough). This letter is a formal shielding notification and can act as evidence for your employer to show that you cannot work outside your home until 2 December, including for statutory sick pay (SSP) purposes.

The new national restrictions, and this specific advice will apply across England for four weeks up to Wednesday 2 December. At the end of this period, we expect to return to guidance that is specific to your region, based on the latest data. We will write to you again with further information before then.

Please remember that the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services that you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

If you are concerned about the impact of COVID-19 on your health, speak to your GP, hospital clinician or use NHS111. Further information on how to access help, including how to register for support, can be found in the attached guidance.*

We know that this is a difficult time and many people are making significant sacrifices. Thank you for your efforts to keep yourself and others safe.

Yours sincerely,

MATT HANCOCK
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

ROBERT JENRICK
Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government

Guidance for clinically extremely vulnerable people
This guidance is for everyone in England who has been identified as clinically extremely vulnerable. The full guidance can be found online at www.gov.uk/coronavirus. This is additional guidance for clinically extremely vulnerable people, to help you protect yourself from the virus by following these shielding measures.

This guidance applies to clinically extremely vulnerable individuals only. Others living in a household with someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable are not advised to follow this guidance.

Socialising
The new National Restrictions from 5 November, which apply to everyone, mean that you must not leave or be outside of your home, except for limited purposes which are set out in that guidance.

We are advising clinically extremely vulnerable people to stay at home as much as possible, except to go outdoors for exercise or to attend essential health appointments. You may wish to meet up with one other person from outside your household or support bubble to exercise outdoors, for example in an outdoor public place, but we suggest that you always try to do so as safely as possible.

Try to keep all contact with others to a minimum and avoid busy areas. Whenever you go out continue to maintain strict social distancing, wash your hands regularly and avoid touching your face.

You should also try to stay 2 metres away from other people within your household, especially if they display symptoms of the virus or have been advised to self-isolate.

Work
You are strongly advised to work from home. If you cannot work from home, then you should not attend work for this period of restrictions. If you cannot attend work for this reason, you may be eligible for Statutory Sick Pay (SSP), Employment Support Allowance (ESA) or Universal Credit. Other eligibility criteria will apply.

You will be able to use this letter as evidence for your employer to show that you should not work outside your home until 2 December, including for statutory sick pay purposes. You can also use this letter for the Department for Work and Pensions to show that you are advised to follow shielding guidance for ESA or Universal Credit purposes.

If you were on payroll before 30 October 2020 you may also be eligible for the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (furlough), which is being extended until 2 December. Please speak to your employer if you think you are eligible.

Other people you live with who are not clinically extremely vulnerable themselves can still attend work if they cannot work from home, in line with the wider rules set out in the new National Restrictions from 5 November.

Education settings
More evidence has emerged that shows there is a very low risk of children becoming very unwell from COVID-19, even for children with existing health conditions. Most children originally identified as clinically extremely vulnerable no longer need to follow this advice. Speak to your GP or specialist clinician if you have not already done so, to understand whether your child should still be classed as clinically extremely vulnerable.

Those children whose doctors have confirmed they are still clinically extremely vulnerable are advised not to attend school whilst this advice is in place. Your school will make appropriate arrangements for you to be able to continue your education at home. Children who live with someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable, but who are not clinically extremely vulnerable themselves, should still attend school.

Travel
You should avoid all non-essential travel by private or public transport, this includes not travelling to work, school or the shops. You should still travel to hospital and GP appointments unless told otherwise by your doctor. If you need help to travel to an appointment, you can speak to your health care professional to arrange transport support. They can arrange this with NHS Volunteer Responders.

Shopping
You are advised not to go to the shops. Use online shopping if you can, or ask others to collect and deliver shopping for you (friends, family, or a volunteer, including NHS Volunteer Responders). If you already have a priority delivery slot with a supermarket that will continue, you do not need to do anything frther.

If you cannot access food, your local council can offer support. This may include helping you to request a priority supermarket delivery slot (if you do not already have one) or help with shopping. See below for details on how to register for support.

Medicines
You are advised not to go to a pharmacy.

You are encouraged in the first instance to ask a friend, family member, carer or a volunteer (for example one of the NHS Volunteer Responders) to collect your medicines for you. If none of these are available, then you will be eligible for free medicines delivery. Please contact your pharmacy to inform them that you are clinically extremely vulnerable and need your medicines delivered, and they will arrange this free of charge.

Accessing care and support
It is important that you continue to receive the care and support you need to help you stay safe and well.

We urge you to continue to seek support from the NHS and other health providers for your existing health conditions and any new health concerns.

You can access a range of NHS services from home, including ordering repeat prescriptions or contacting your health professional through an online consultation. To find out more visit www.nhs.uk/health-at-home, or download the NHS App at
www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/the-nhs-app/.

Please make sure your GP has your most up to date contact details, including your home address and, if possible, a personal email address, so that we know how to contact you.

If you have an urgent medical need, call NHS 111 or, for a medical emergency, dial 999.

If you need to have a test for COVID-19 then you are able to attend a test site. You may want to think about attending at a quieter time or asking for a home test to be sent to you, in order to reduce your contacts with other people. It is important that you have your test. More information about getting a COVID-19 test can be found at www.gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test.

If you do need to receive care in person, you can. Your local NHS services are well prepared and will put in measures to keep you safe.

It is also really important to look after your mental health. Go to the Every Mind Matters website for advice and practical steps that you can take to support your wellbeing and manage your mental health during this pandemic. If you or someone you care for are experiencing a mental health crisis, we urge you to make contact with a local health professional immediately.

Any carers or visitors who support you with your everyday needs or those of a child or young person in your care can continue to visit. They should follow social distancing guidance where close or personal contact is not required.

If you need any additional support to help you to follow this guidance, your local council may be able to help. You can contact your council and register for support at the Shielding Support website mentioned below.

You should also continue to access support from local charities and organisations, as well as NHS Volunteer Responders. As well as helping with shopping and medicines delivery, NHS Volunteer Responders can help with a regular, friendly phone call, and transport to and from medical appointments.

Call 0808 196 3646 between 8am and 8pm to arrange support or visit NHS Volunteer Responders website.

Registering for Support
You will be able to use a new online service to register yourself, or on behalf of someone else, to:

request access to a priority supermarket delivery slot (if you have already got priority supermarket deliveries, you will keep them).
tell your council if you need support in order to follow this guidance that you are unable to arrange yourself and cannot be provided by friends, family or other support networks
make sure your details such as your address are up to date
This new online service can be found at www.gov.uk/coronavirus-shielding-support and is now live for you register for support. You’ll be asked for your NHS number, which you can find at the top of this letter. It is helpful if you register even if you do not have any support needs at this time so we know to focus on caring for others who need it. You can log in and update your needs if circumstances change at any time.

If you need to register your needs by phone, or have an urgent need, contact your local council directly.

Find out what help you might be able to get from your local council at www.gov.uk/coronavirus-local-help.

Mummylin · 04/11/2020 19:34

I also just received this email.

Teaistheanswer · 04/11/2020 19:34

Thank you so much @nervousinyorkshire for sharing. I checked my emails and mine has just arrived too.

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