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How Dominic Cummings "hacked the referendum"

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Wishingstarr · 14/06/2020 19:47

Dominic Cummings said in his own words that he "hacked the referendum" by emphasizing the fears of some sections of the British population. He and his team deliberately created a "barrage" of false or misleading information and carefully directed it at British citizens online from personal information that was stolen or obtained in ways apparently unconnected to politics.

It was a form of "psychological operations" usually used by the secret service.

Everything is explained with factual evidence:
www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-dominic-cummings-hacked-eu-referendum-lloyd-hardy

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wowfudge · 14/06/2020 19:51

This isn't news - he and Boris have a lot to answer for imho.

Wishingstarr · 14/06/2020 20:15

Definitely not news as he boasted about it openly but still very interesting to see the steps that were taken in a clear timeline.

Of course the same people and organizations, such as Steve Bannon, who knows Cummings personally and has worked with him, directed Trump's election campaign.

If you thought 2015/16 was weird and confusing that was because of very deliberate tactics on both sides of the Atlantic. No surprise that both countries are suffering a crisis of leadership now.

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Wishingstarr · 14/06/2020 22:11

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theduchessstill · 14/06/2020 22:49

Yup, barely any replies. No one cares. Where's the Russia report? No one cares. Where's the 'oven ready Brexit deal? Seems to have disappeared and we're about to crash out. No one cares, it's never mentioned. What's all this about the dodgy deal lockdown-breaking Jennrick presided over? No one cares. Cummings in contempt of parliament? No one cares. The far right fighting and attacking people on the streets. Nothing to do with the government. More Covid deaths than the rest of Europe combined for days? No one cares. Illegally proroguing parliament? Never mentioned again...

This lot can do whatever they like and the majority of people in this country seem to accept it and bleat that 'they're doing their best' or, even better...

Hey, but Jeremy Corbyn was a bit scruffy wasn't he? Thank the lord he didn't win.

Angry Angry Sad Sad

spottedelk · 14/06/2020 23:05

Some of us do care, but feel powerless.

Eve · 14/06/2020 23:09

I very much care and despise this govt and Boris and despair that so many are happy to let them away with it.

Wishingstarr · 14/06/2020 23:12

I guess the first step is accurate information and spreading the word so people do understand the electorate were very knowingly and cynically played.

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ssd · 14/06/2020 23:16

The media portrayal of Corbyn was a disgrace. He stood no chance..

On another thread here tonight sunak is being hailed as the next pm as he wears nice suits.

England is fucked.

BMW6 · 14/06/2020 23:16

How will you prove that YOUR information is accurate?

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:19

Cummings has also made it very clear he thinks Leave voter are thick, he's said as much. As has Aaron Banks. Both also admitted lying to win the referendum, Cummings has said they wouldn't have won without the lies.

theduchessstill is right though, no one cares. They don't even seem to mind the 60,000+ dead due to government incompetence and disinterest.

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:21

The media portrayal of Corbyn was a disgrace

I agree, but Corbyn was still terrible, nothing like as terrible as this lot though.

ssd · 14/06/2020 23:27

He wasn't terrible, he just didn't play to the crowd, in a nice shiny suit.

LastTrainEast · 14/06/2020 23:36

You're assuming all British people are gullible fools who decided based on something they saw on the side of a bus. If so isn't it possible that you have been misled by some cleverly constructed arguments? Grin

LastTrainEast · 14/06/2020 23:39

KenDodd every country lost people. Has no one taken the time to explain to you that Boris Johnson is only PM of the UK?

You see those other countries have their own leaders and every fucking one of them did the same kind of thing and every one of them lost people.

BUT and this is important. A lot less people than if we had let armchair experts like you have a say in anything.

Go take a look at a map of the world and get some perspective.

Miljea · 14/06/2020 23:39

In my opinion, no more or less valid than anyone else's, and I have stated this before on here, a good 2.5 years ago......

Britain (by which I mean England), actually needs the kicking that is coming its way.

We appear to have turned into a people proud of our ignorance, our stupidity, our sense of exceptionalism, our desperation to cap-doff to The Squire, or utter inability to critically analyse anything, our obeisance to so many who do not have our interests at heart (Murdoch, anyone?).

We happily allow our children's education to be washed down the pan while our leaders children go to 'charitable foundations', buying them Oxbridge places. We happily concede 'austerity', during which time the Rich doubled down on their money.

We unquestioningly believe that our closest market is run by corrupt unelected bureaucrats, by an unelected bureaucrat. Rupert told us so. Tho Durham's nice, this time of year...

Now- Our populace, Doughty Englishmen, all- will either never leave their house again, or think this is all 'a nonsense' concocted by the 40,000 snowflakes who died.

We need to grow up. Our sycophantic government of neonate politicians, chosen for their Brexit loyalty, need to step up or face the music.

Keir's looking like a good bet to me.

AgeLikeWine · 14/06/2020 23:40

This is very old news, OP, have you only just found out about it? It was covered in the drama “Brexit : the uncivil war” which was broadcast 18 months ago.

It’s hardly news that politicians seek to win power by playing on the electorate’s fears. The Tories campaigned on “Keep the pound” in 2001 and “Are you thinking what we’re thinking?” about immigration in 2005. Labour has campaigned on “24 hours to save the NHS” in the latter stages of every election in my lifetime.

Corbyn was entirely useless and unelectable, as the vast majority of the PLP knew, and as many of us who had heard of him before 2015 (I’m an ex-Labour activist) warned at the time. His naive, deluded disciples refused to listen, of course, with inevitable results.....

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:40

Dominic Cummings said during a speech he gave (available on YouTube - warning, long!) that Leave would not have won without the NHS and the Turkey lie. He said they'd done really extensive research and they absolutely would not have won.

Institutkarite · 14/06/2020 23:41

What a load of shit. It's about time that you, op realised that other people disagree with you.
Mumsnet on Brexit, it will never happen......it did.
Mumsnet on the General Election.....Boris won't win......he did by a massive 80 seats.
Just realise that you and your opinions are out of touch with the vast majority of the United Kingdom.
Go well

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:42

Sorry, my last post was in response to this -
You're assuming all British people are gullible fools who decided based on something they saw on the side of a bus. If so isn't it possible that you have been misled by some cleverly constructed arguments?

BarbieandKenBruce · 14/06/2020 23:47

I read this link recently and appreciated how clearly it set things out.

@LastTrainEast
I don't assume that British people are gullible fools or that the people who voted Leave did so because of a bus. If that was the whole story the article linked would be a hell of lot shorter. It's targeted influencing of people's thoughts/emotions. It could happen to anyone either side of the Brexit divide. The outcome is worrying for some bit it's the process that's shit scary.

ssd · 14/06/2020 23:49

@Institutkarite

What a load of shit. It's about time that you, op realised that other people disagree with you. Mumsnet on Brexit, it will never happen......it did. Mumsnet on the General Election.....Boris won't win......he did by a massive 80 seats. Just realise that you and your opinions are out of touch with the vast majority of the United Kingdom. Go well
Vast majority of England

Don't lump us in with this shit

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:51

A lot less people than if we had let armchair experts like you have a say in anything.
Actually, I think I would have done a better job on covid than Johnson. In February I started stocking up of things like hand sanitizer. I bought a medical kit including a blood oxygen finger clip and oxygen. Late Feb I persuaded my husband to start working from home and we both went and had pneumonia vaccines. My March I had finally had enough of waiting for the government to do something and pulled my kids out of school a week before they closed. I also bought laptops for them all. Friends told me they couldn't buy laptops anywhere two weeks later when they tried to buy them.

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:54

Institutkarite

You won, get over it.

KenDodd · 14/06/2020 23:57

I've found the link of DC talking about how they won the referendum.

Wishingstarr · 15/06/2020 05:13

Thanks KenDodd fascinating. I think some people in this thread have got the wrong end of the stick. What I am most interested in is HOW this happened. They used data analytics and social psychology in a very new way, which was replicated in the USA.

Yet the leadership is not following up with anything creative.

So Dominic & Co while promising the people something special have offered absolutely nothing as far as I can tell, other than undermine democracy.

I am no longer in the UK and have been living in various countries for 25 years. I was stunned to call my friends and family after the referendum and find they all voted leave. Now I can see that the messages were carefully targeted with different messages depending on their age, background and educational level.

I definitely agree with DC in his speech that the classic right-left spectrum is very unhelpful and misleading when talking about modern politics. He ignored the old models and followed the data and was more successful. A lot if it was common sense. London and Westminister does ignore the rest of the country. That's how Trump won too, ignoring pundits and following data which showed he just needed to convince a small group of people in key states.

I am not interested in rehashing what was good, what was bad. Clearly Dominic was lucky to have one of the most incompetent opposition front benches in a long time and an opposition leader who wasn't interested in fighting to stay in the EU. So Dominic ended up destroying Cameron instead.

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