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FromEden · 02/06/2020 07:18

There can't be many US presidents who have declared war on their own people.

He didn't though? You can look it up how many times the insurrection act has been invoked. Its not the first time. I mean, something has to be done to stop the looting. Do you live in the US or any of the affected cities? Hopefully it won't come to military on the streets but the looting and arson needs to be brought under control.

Twilbury · 02/06/2020 07:33

He could just try insisting the police guilty of allowing a murder to happen are arrested. That could put a stop to the looting.

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Deathraystare · 02/06/2020 07:46

It was absolutely chilling. Sad that so many people (as usual) saw it as an invitation to loot. That is no protesting, that is theft. I can understand the anger and frustration but not the helping themselves to stuff.

Turangawaewae · 02/06/2020 07:53

It seems only a matter of time before he orders the military to start shooting protesters. It's terrifying.

I cannot see how this will end. He needs to be promising change, trying to work with community leaders. Instead he is doubling down.

Kpo58 · 02/06/2020 08:11

@Deathraystare

It was absolutely chilling. Sad that so many people (as usual) saw it as an invitation to loot. That is no protesting, that is theft. I can understand the anger and frustration but not the helping themselves to stuff.
With so many in America unemployed, I can fully understand why people are looting.
Notejode · 02/06/2020 08:13

So how do you stop the looting? Have you seen the videos?

CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2020 08:14

but the looting and arson needs to be brought under control.

This won't happen if police continue to attack protesters with brutality (shooting them with rubber bullets, driving vehicles into them, macing peaceful protesters, shoving non-threatening protesters onto the ground).

The protesters will presumably back off if the police tones down the brutality, apologises for their actions, takes responsibility, put forward a workable plan for improving police behaviour (especially with regards to unfair prejudice against blacks and POCs), and if the White House puts forward a statement acknowledging the above.

The looting and arson will continue if Trump continues to view the public as his enemies and the police/military as a tool to control them with.

AJPTaylor · 02/06/2020 08:20

He is clearly using it as a way to deflect from the shitshow which is his handling of covid 19.
It will also appeal to all the Billie Joe's in dungarees and pick up trucks that voted him in.

NekoShiro · 02/06/2020 08:20

I have dual citizenship, American and English, my dad and his family live in America, my mum and hers in England.

Everyday over the last couple of days I've said to my partner how glad I am to live in England on furlough right now, I can't even imagine the fear Americans must be feeling, not only is the pandemic ravaging them and the government is saying 'business as usual' a guy was choked to death and protests kicked off so now the virus testing centres are being closed to keep with the curfew (I read somewhere but haven't checked) it's must be horrific being a parent in America right now pandemic, police brutality, and the president is golfing and tweeting out from his bunker.

CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2020 08:25

For some looting and arson are a form of protest.

Some left wing circles see looting as a protest against capitalism - hit powerful people where it hurts (stocks, shares, the economy).

Likewise, with arson. But also arson brings the message across that the people have power (in large groups). Burning down police stations sends a clear message.

I wouldn't personally engage in these acts but I also understand why some do. Especially considering how the peaceful protests often either end up ineffective (black deaths at the hands of police continue despite countless peaceful protests), and also are rebuked (Colin Kaepernick was lambasted for kneeling in protest!!

I think many people in America feel that they just can't win, so may as well make a powerful message through looting and arson.

But do note that the original protest in Minneapolis was peaceful, police then teargassed the crowd, crowd reacted by vandalising police vehicles and throwing objects at police, police then started firing rubber bullets, crowd then set the police building on fire.

This could have all been avoided if the police weren't violent to begin with.

Parker231 · 02/06/2020 08:36

Luckily for Americans they will have the opportunity to get rid of Trump in November although I still can’t get my head around how he was elected in the first place.

Soubriquet · 02/06/2020 08:50

It’s almost like it’s legalised purge in America at the moment

With everything else that’s going on, are we sure we aren’t trapped in various horror movies?

Cos if we are, I want them to stop!

dreamingbohemian · 02/06/2020 08:51

Caribou has nailed it. Notice that the most violence is happening in places where the police are using excessive force. Loads of cities are staying calm where the police are being restrained and working with community leaders to keep things under control.

It's ridiculous to say Trump wants to protect peaceful protesters, did you not see what happened in front of the White House last night?

Gilead · 02/06/2020 08:55

Trump is a psychopath, he won’t go even if he loses the election.
There is no legitimate defence of his behaviour, he has created and fed this monster and now it’s biting him on the arse.

Notejode · 02/06/2020 08:59

For some looting and arson are a form of protest

Is this what is called anarchy?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 02/06/2020 09:00

Right wing populism always ends in failure. Take note Britain, the US is the country the UK will be going cap in hand to for a post Brexit trade deal once bridges with the EU have been burnt.

TeddyIsaHe · 02/06/2020 09:03

I couldn’t imagine anything worse than being American

The systemic racism in the UK is almost as bad, just our police don’t have guns, and are trained to deescalate rather than murder (most of the time).

Notejode · 02/06/2020 09:05

Luckily for Americans they will have the opportunity to get rid of Trump in November although I still can’t get my head around how he was elected in the first place.

Americans will vote for the candidate more suitable to repair the economy.

Laaf80 · 02/06/2020 09:05

This.

It's all kicking off in America
longwayoff · 02/06/2020 09:08

He's a fascist and a bloody disgrace to humankind. Hiding in a bunker, clutching a bible, wrapping himself in the flag. Revolting creature. He hasn't attempted to quell the disorder, he's exacerbated it. Ask yourselves, supporters, why that might be.

Chipsahoy · 02/06/2020 09:11

America is a big place, huge! Plenty of what is going on riots and such, isn't affecting all the states. My Dh family are in the Midwest, which is actually quite for trump unfortunately but it's very peaceful there right now. It's easy to say look at American with all the riots and unrest, that would be the same as saying, look at England with the same when the riots are confirmed to one area in one city.

The majority are just normal people going about their daily lives, troubled by their leadership like many of us are, concerned about corona, like we are and disgusted by the ongoing racism, like we are.

The racism there towards black people particularly goes back a very long time. It has changed but not fast enough. It is absolutely not OK. We have racism here, difference is our police don't have guns.

DemolitionCrew · 02/06/2020 09:12

At what point can the 25th amendment be used? Trump is clearly unfit for office. Is there no way other than voting in November he could be removed now?

CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2020 09:18

For those still confused about the looting and arson from protesters, this is a very good article from The Guardian about it: Article: "As the George Floyd protests continue, let's be clear where the violence is coming from"

Some excerpts:

"The word “violence” is going to be used a lot to describe the events in US cities over the weekend and all this week. So it’s going to be important to be clear about who is violent and what violence is. Property destruction and harming human beings are profoundly different actions, and with a few exceptions (seemingly interlopers in the protests) virtually all the violence visited on human beings during this round of civil unrest across the US has been inflicted by police.

...The story of activist violence is often used to justify police violence, but damage to property is not a justification for wholesale violence against children, passersby, journalists, protesters, or anyone at all. It is the police who should have lost their legitimacy, over and over, after the many individual killings from Eric Garner to Walter Scott to Breonna Taylor to George Floyd. And after reckless, entitled, out-of-control violence in police riots like that on Saturday night. Perhaps the point of their action this week is that they don’t need legitimacy, just power.

There’s one more kind of violence to talk about, and that’s structural violence. That’s the way that institutions and societies are organised to oppress a group of people, and for black Americans, that’s included slavery, the long terrorism of Jim Crow and lynching, voter suppression from the 19th century to the present, redlining (denying or charging more for necessary services) and subprime mortgages, discrimination in housing, education, and employment and far more."

Piggywaspushed · 02/06/2020 09:22

The irony is most police officers hate Trump. My DSis was out on the streets of Trenton yesterday. She is a lesbian, democrat voting, Trump hating person : and also a police officer. That said, I think the police force in the US is institutionally racist. Rotten to its core.

My DM lives in NYC and is really traditionally very left wing. However ( I guess born out of fear) trump's words seem to be affecting her view of things. She is making excuses for the actions of the police against Floyd, she is defending actions of the police (maybe coloured by my DSis's role) and is getting increasingly hysterical about the 'performance' protests and the thugs who attack private property. She sounds quite racist in her emails so I am now ignoring her. She's 81. I can't reason with entrenched views that see Vietnam protests as some kind of hippie utopia but any Black Lives Matters ones as whining or orchestrated anarchy.

My DBIL live sin Alabama. He hasn't posted anything on FB yet but , when he does, no doubt I will have to hide his post.