What the fuck was the point in the Nightingale hospital?

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I just don't understand

I thought it was meant to take coronavirus patients to free up normal hospitals so the NHS didn't grind to a halt?

But I've just read an article saying it's likely to be wound down as it's not taken a new patient in over a week and the most it's ever had was 35, despite having 4000 beds.

But there's thousands of people who haven't been treated or admitted to hospital when they should have been, whilst a dedicated hospital sat empty? Elderly people being sent back to care homes to spread the virus to staff and the other patients due to no space for them to stay in hospital, but an empty hospital that they could have gone to instead?

What's that about then? Like... What was the point?

@Teateaandmoretea it's good that hopefully we'll have them available for any "second wave". It's also good that they're not crammed full and overflowing.

Two sides to most stories. Any downsides that you can see?

Actually I believe it's 16/23

@tobee I can’t see that I haven’t said there are two sides to it. But equally the most important second side is hindsight, things are a lot easier to work out when you know what’s going to happen.

The endless negativity frankly helps no one

I don’t think this is right. I thought it had been made very clear that people who needed to be in hospital were, but those better cared for outside hospitals would be

In practice no, my partners son got a job with 111, hospital admission is a last resort.
A friend's DH caught CV, was extremely ill, his wife was told to ring back when/if he got worse.

Had johnson been a normal citizen, he would have been advised to stay at home, thankfully he got early treatment.

This is why we weren't overwhelmed like Italy unless you think Italians are more susceptible to CV than we are?

Repeating what others have said, we flattened the curve so never saw the predicted surge. We were as prepared as possible but they’ve not been needed. They may however be used in the future but differently. As we step up more services, wards will have less beds due to social distancing. They could be used as step down hospitals for those recovering but not needing ventilation. At no point have we run out of ventilators. Mind you, at my trust we have had a couple of times when ppe has arrived fairly close to when we would have run out but actually the ppe ordering has worked fairly well alongside our own resourcing. We usually buy our own ppe so why would we stop doing that and sit and wait for a delivery? We’ve not experienced what the media say, although we’ve has doctors in our trust saying we’re short or masks. The head of infection control has to take them to the storage and show him the 10k masks waiting there before he’d believe her!

Niall Ferguson's numbers will need investigating
because his F&M ones turned out to be expensive over estimates
and bearing in mind how light touch the lockdown has been his CV one may be as alarmist

Good to hear that the BMA saying 50% of Doctors have had to purchase their own PPE is a utter lie spread by lefties.

Where are the staff for the Nightingales going to come from to treat non ventilated patients?

What llets said.

Italy
Identified cases 210,717
deaths so far 28,884

UK
Identified cases 186,599
deaths so far 28,446

Italy is further along the curve than UK, so we can expect more deaths. The figures are not too dissimilar.

Italy had people die in corridors, Uk had them die out of hospital (when we count all of those non-hospital deaths, it will be ugly).

China got first run at this and learnt by their mistakes, they told us months ago that non-invasive ventilation (CPAP) was the way to go, just like our esteemed leader got.

We’ve not experienced what the media say, although we’ve has doctors in our trust saying we’re short or masks. The head of infection control has to take them to the storage and show him the 10k masks waiting there before he’d believe her! Not all hospitals are the same, family member working in local hospital had one mask for 12 hr shift, things have improved and they now get one mask every 4 hrs. Seems unfair if some hospitals had 10k that they weren't shared out.

Uk had them die out of hospital (when we count all of those non-hospital deaths, it will be ugly).
THey ARE counted
they always WERE counted
in the weekly ONS report that has been coming out for years and years

Listening they are counted slightly in arrears , the peak of these will be counted in the next week or two. Here's a graph of up to mow

www.dailymail.co.uk/video/coronavirus/video-2164390/Video-Sir-David-King-says-SAGE-confuses-politics-scientific-advices.html

Good to hear that the BMA saying 50% of Doctors have had to purchase their own PPE is a utter lie spread by lefties.

I don't know about nationally but it was 100% of the doctors at my local surgery. I know. I have the Paypal receipt to prove it.

Good to hear that the BMA saying 50% of Doctors have had to purchase their own PPE is a utter lie spread by lefties

Thats strange language for the BMA to use.
I dont think anyone can accuse the Daily Mail of being 'lefties';

''The BMA and other doctors' unions have repeatedly warned NHS staff will die unless frontline staff are properly equipped with protective gear.
GP practices say that, when they've appealed for equipment from the NHS, they have been told to buy their own from other suppliers.''

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8195849/Doctors-lives-risk-lack-PPE-British-Medical-Association-warns.html

Don’t worry! Once the schools go back which will be the end of social distancing and we do our usual crap job at track and trace, I’m sure we’ll be using the nightingales.

I'm very much not being endlessly negative @Teateaandmoretea.

In fact, @Teateaandmoretea, compared to most people currently doing the rounds of Mumsnet threads, I'm a positive ray of sunshine.

I’ll take your word for it

Almost half of doctors bought own PPE or relied on donations, BMA survey shows

Good to hear that the BMA saying 50% of Doctors have had to purchase their own PPE is a utter lie spread by lefties

where did you get that from jasjas?

The survey found that 48% of doctors reported having bought personal protective equipment (PPE) directly for themselves or their department, or had received donations from a charity or local firm

The last bit changes the answer considerably.

The survey found that 48% of doctors reported having bought personal protective equipment (PPE) directly for themselves or their department, or had received donations from a charity or local firm

The last bit changes the answer considerably.

No it doesn't. Not without knowing all the questions in the survey (and the motives behind those who commissioned it).

If the only option containing "Did you buy PPE Directly" is phrased as:

1. Did you buy personal protective equipment (PPE) directly for yourselves or your department, or receive donations from a charity or local firm?

Then 100% of those who DID buy PPE (but didn't get donations) would tick it.

But if the question was broken down:

1a - Did you buy personal protective equipment (PPE) directly for yourselves?

1b - Did you receive donations from a charity or local firm?

THEN you might have some basis for saying it changes things 'considerably'. But not necessarily.

The answer to Question 1b could well have amounted to 0%.

It's a classic piece of lying (or giving a misleading impression) by statistics.

Another good question to ask would be - Was the donated PPE any use? or was it total shite donated with the best of intentions but bloody useless?

Correction: "The answer to Question 1b could well have amounted to less than 1%.

TheSandMan Quite, we don’t know the question so it is speculation not news.

The answers to your question could equally have been:

1a. 0%
1b. 48%

It doesn’t even ask whether the donations were requested. We simply cannot tell from the reported information one way or another.

Good to hear that the BMA saying 50% of Doctors have had to purchase their own PPE is a utter lie spread by lefties

but where is this coming from then? - the poster believes that the bma itself said 50% was an 'utter' lie, and that the bma said that the utter lie has been spread by lefties.

can she provide any evidence for what is quite a smear?

my school has provided 3000 head masks for local hospitals, drs, social carets etc, they seem to be gratefully receiving and wearing them.