Piers Morgan can feck off.

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I’m sick of him spouting off about people going in to work. He is a multimillionaire who’s going in to work to still get paid.

He’s asking to name and shame employers that are trying to keep afloat.

My facebook is full of reposts with people clapping and cheering him on. Even my family members.

We just can’t close everything down for three or more weeks. This could last months. No one will have any jobs to go to, people will lose loved ones - which they are going to - and then lose their jobs, houses get in to debt. We’re heading in a massive financial crises. People need to be worried about their health but also would about their financial situation after too.

I’ve seen three posts this morning on my face book about greedy employers, forcing them in to work - one of which works in a care home.

I’m not a greedy employer. But I can see that if I close my doors for three weeks maybe be more- we might not reopen again. 19 staff will be out of work going on UC. Staff are all made up of families, some with babies on the way. We’ve had quite good support from our staff, thankfully!

Most Employers don’t have millions in the bank to be able to afford weeks after weeks of shut down. If we close - you suffer too.

If you can go to work - go in as there might be a very good chance of you standing in the unemployment queue before the year is out

I can’t imagine the hard decisions you have to make OP, I will just say this:
Economies are very resilient, we have proven that as far back as the 1930s and more recently 2008

Also, ok you and your immediate families probably would survive covid19, mine probably would too. But we are screwed if something else happens: cancer, a car accident...everyday things that can/ do happen to people, and there are no available beds or drs. There’s a bigger picture to see.

OP, have you asked your employees what they think of coming into work at the moment?

My business may not recover from this crisis but morally I won't put people at risk for my financial gain.

@heartsonacake

You have just stated that you don't care about the potential deaths of thousands from CauseS whilst asking that people care about the potential deaths of thousands from CauseC. Can you not see that?

Balancing these things is not as simple as to say that we must stop these few people here dying whatever the consequences to everyone else.

What I am talking about here is a very well known debate called the 'trolley dilemma' but at mass scale

theconversation.com/the-trolley-dilemma-would-you-kill-one-person-to-save-five-57111

A decent discussion of the point about total shutdown and the longer term consequences

fee.org/articles/covid-19-and-the-trolley-problem-you-re-on-the-tracks-and-the-government-is-controlling-the-switch

YessItsMeIDontCare Nope. There won’t even be 1/10th of deaths from suicides as there will be from CoronaVirus.

There’s a bigger picture to see I agree.

Massive unemployment, massive school under funding, broken NHS giving way to the private sector, more children going hungry, more people at the food banks, benefits even harder to obtain, more people on disability benefits having them taken away.

Regarding resilient economy, I have family who live in a working class council estate. It’s really poor. They are already in a bad way, old houses that the council won’t repair or build new ones. This will effect them so badly for years to come and it’s their children who will feel the fall out. I will add to this - this is where the biggest clappers to Piers Morgan were from on my facebook this morning. They have no idea what’s about to happen - they just want businesses closed down

heartsonacake Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

FWIW my mum is in the extremely high risk category so I have a choice of potentially losing my mum or potentially losing my husband & son.

Yay for me

YesItsMeIDontCare we are already on lock down. Sorry about your personal situation 💐 unfortunately there is no choice, this saves more lives.

hamstersarse what an interesting article. And I agree people are just closing down discussion with ‘do you want people to die’

Nope. There won’t even be 1/10th of deaths from suicides as there will be from CoronaVirus

Would you be able to back that up? I am not saying that you are wrong however suicide is already:

"the tenth leading cause of death overall in the United States, claiming the lives of over 47,000 people"

"6,859 suicides in the UK in 2018"

And poverty and financial pressure is a big risk factor for suicide obviously. How are you so sure that this is not going to be a problem?

He isn't the sort of person I take much notice of at the best of times, let alone now.

YesItsMeIDontCare we are already on lock down.

Not really. DH is not a key worker, his job is not essential but can't be done from home so he still goes out to work. Which is one of the permitted reasons. We're still "allowed out", but not as much as we're used to.

It's a halfway house which I think is OK. It's those calling for a tighter lockdown who I think aren't seeing a big enough picture.

I think the economy will take a significant hit but China is starting to reopen now.

My State has looked at all the data and decided it can survive, I don't see why the UK can't either.

It is a matter of least worse choices.

Both myself and my husband are self employed.

We are staying home with no income because not dying or causing anyone else to die is more important than money.

We have approximately four weeks of money left but are taking the 3 month mortgage holiday.

Yes, we will default on our car finance but that can be sorted out. We can't sort out someone once they've died.

We're volunteering for the NHS while not working.

My State has looked at all the data and decided it can survive

Ah. You're comparing a comparatively small proportion of a country to a whole country. I suspect your state wouldn't survive your entire country shutting down.

He is a key worker.

He has offered to pay parking tickets for the NHS staff.

He has a big bloody point.

Well he can afford it sunshine with him being a multi millionaire. And he could work from home himself.

He still didn't have to do it and I suspect as yet they can't transmit from home

Silly parking attendants fining nhs workers! They definitely are non essential during this crisis and should not be working! Go Piers!

Unfortunately there is the dilemma of what is best for your own family and what is best for society as a whole.

There are so many unknowns about this virus and so much misinformation that it is really difficult to know what to do for the best.

DP has managed to build up his business over the last few years after we had some pretty tough times financially. His work has now dried up and we are back to where we were before.

Even if we manage to avoid the virus we are fucked. We will likely lose our home as we rent and if this happens I fear for DPs mental health. It is very easy to say that people need to make sacrifices when you don't have to.

I don't know what the answer is but I am fairly sure that there will be many more people's lives devastated by the fall-out from the actions we are having to take now than the actual virus itself.

I suspect your state wouldn't survive your entire country shutting down.

It is the major economic powerhouse states that are shutting down and the rural low income ones staying open for the most part.

Essential businesses are remaining open.

Piers Morgan is in a position to be able to get clarity and answers for some people who at the moment are in a very difficult situation. He has also massively gone up in my estimations by publicising the fact that some NHS car parks have had parking attendants putting fine on cars (some of these are at times when visitors are not permitted). No way are parking attendants essential at a time like this, let line to be ticketing the medics busy saving lives.

Tbh I blame much of these debates on the idiots that called this just a flu! It clearly isn’t just a standard flu.
We will cripple our nhs - there will be no nhs if we let this virus run riot.

feellikeanalien I honestly hope you get through this horrible time.