Passport office won’t issue my passport,help pls

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I’ve never really used my first name ,always used my middle name ,.on my wedding certificate the registrar put my middle name first as that’s what everyone calls me.
Passport office want proof of a name change from first name to middle name

Obviously I’ve not got that ,lots of people use their second name when they don’t like their first name,why would I change it officially as they are both my name.
I’m about to loose my £80 fee ,as this has been has been going backwards and forwards for some time ,
I’ve simply not got the proof they want ,
What on Earth can I do
I’m 46 always lived in uk and never had a passport before

@lyralalala I don't know if you mean to cherry pick or you don't understand?

I said it wasn't right if these name changes happened in the 70s. For a start, we have no idea what qualifications the posters were talking about or the exams they took.

And yes I am fully aware that anyone can call themselves whatever they like. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

It's about the position you are in if you apply for something where you need proof of ID. I can call myself Jane Brown as from now if I want but I can't legally apply for a mortgage, or credit, a divorce, a marriage cert, or a passport or driving licence in that name.

Maybe I ought to spell it out even more- the posters who said they did these things under a name swap may indeed have, but it wasn't right and wasn't allowed. They slipped through the net. My 'It didn't happen' means 'It wasn't allowed'.

My 'It didn't happen' means 'It wasn't allowed'.

And people are supposed to be a mind reader and know what you said isn't what you meant? Yet it's me that's cherrypicking?

Nice touch with the patronising tone though, that you do get right...

I'm no legal expert, but I think the lack of passport may be the least of your problems. I would seek legal advice as to whether you are actually even legally married, as by law, it may be seen that the person your husband married doesnt actually exist as there is no birth certificate in that name.

I would have thought that Op is married as vows were exchanged before witnesses.

What she might be unable to do though is prove that she is the person named on the wedding certificate!

if the intend to marriage was published with the wrong name, the official notice might be void...

Diddle. Exactly
Maggie. Because marriage in the Church of England/church in wales is slightly different in that most people get married after having banns read and the ceremony follows the book of common prayer so I’m not 100% sure but I’m 99% sure it is the words. As you rightly say couples are announced as husband and wife.
The reason I asked if it was a church is because non-denominational religious buildings sometimes have a person appointed to fulfil the role of a Registrar. And they, rarely, may not be as rigorous around the questioning and recording of names. But the same questions would/should have been asked.

Sorry, should have clarified. In pretty much all other weddings it is 100% the words that marry you in Eng and Wales.
I think the problem here is that people get married in different jurisdictions where the law may differ. And it may very well be the signing of the paperwork that creates the legal relationship.
So Bluntness a quick google will tell you you that you are not correct.

I did the same thing as a pp when I got a new passport after a long interval following marriage. I'd kept my maiden name as a middle name, but as that was different from my marriage certificate it wasn't accepted as proof of a change of name. Assuming you have documents (eg driving licence) in the name you want to use, and a birth certificate to prove eligibility, the change of name process is quite straightforward. I thought I was going to lose my fee too, with all the palaver. You just need to print off a document stating that you have given up your old name www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll It's completely free, so at the very worst it doesn't add any more expense for you. Worth a go?

But she didn't declare herself married in her own name

And it's not the words, google it, she needs to say she is his wife in front of an official. Then sign the register to confirm it, then it's legally binding,

You can't just say your vows, and duck off out of it without signing and assume you're married, you're not, and that's what she's done,

No bluntness, you can’t just say the words and duck out. But if you did you would still be married!!!!
I’m a Registrar.

No you wouldn't if it wasn't registered you'd not be married.

I'm not sure you're actually a registrar if you think people can say the words, say sorry mate I've changed my mind it's not registered and fhey are still married,,

Oh dear.
Yes, they would be.
That’s why there are witnesses.
Must say, in all my years it’s never happened but there’s always a first time.
Mate.

I agree with those who've said you need to get your marriage certificate fixed. A marriage certificate cannot change first names. So it's an obvious error on the certificate, and possibly on the registry too.

A deed poll change of name in your current situation is just going to make the situation ten times more complicated!

Bluntness
Just for you - the extract from our handbook
Until the declaratory and contracting words have been spoken by the parties no entry, or any part of it, may be made in the marriage registers; but when those words have been pronounced by both parties they at once become legally married, and the marriage must then be registered by the registrar in the presence of the parties, the superintendent registrar, and the witnesses

I think you need to check if your Marriage is valid if your middle name was used on the Certificate, the Registrar is actually at fault here and this could cause further legal implications in the future.

The unknown, but that does not address two things, firstly what happens if she uses a fake name to say them and then secondly what happens if it is not registered, or registered in a fake name.

This is the point, at that stage she is likely not married.

How did you get married under a name for which you had no official documents?

When we got married we had to take both birth certificates plus my husband's deed poll (his name was changed as a child when his mum re married). How did you not have to do the same?

To clarify, in law, which you can google, there are three requirements for England and Wales to be legally married.

You need to mutual consent, so saying you consent to marry each other, in front of an official and you must say your full name at some point.

You need to be legally eligible to marry

You need to legal contract, the marriage certificate, register signed, certificate to be created, as required by law.

If any of these elements are not done, or done falsely the marriage is not legally binding.

In this instance she said the vows, but used a made up name, the marriage certificate was created in a made up name, the register entry created in a made up name.

This is why many of us are questioning if she is legally married.

There's no such thing as a legal name in UK law.

All names are made up. You can use any name you like so long as there is no intent to deceive. The OP is legally married. She would be if she married in the name Princess PoopyPants if that's the name she was known by habit and repute.

deedpolloffice.com/change-name/law

and the public notice to marry was presumably published with the wrong name. so people could not comment on the suitability to marriage, i.e. the person could already be married under her real name.

OP - Did you manage to sort this out? I would say get the name change done legally straightaway by deed poll. That way you can sort passport out into right name.

Once that's sorted apply to Register Office to amend the marrriage record. I suspect they will make the changes you ask and there will be no suggestion that your marriage is invalid.

So weird the mad lies people are saying on this thread. Especially as it's so easily looked up on the government's own website.

Don't worry OP!

There's no such thing as a legal name in UK law. All names are made up

OP is already worried as the passport office are refusing her application. You sound like one of those Freemen on the Land conspiracy types.

So weird the mad lies people are saying on this thread.

Mad lies

I mean there is some misinformation, but people are trying to help. Nobody is out and out making up mad lies.

My MIL had to legally change her name to her nickname if she wanted it on her passport or any future driver’s license.

My father apparently changed his used name when he was a child and confirmed in the Catholic Church. I had no idea and thought that was just his name. He tried to get a new passport recently and they balked. The church still had the documentation 60 years later so he was able to get a copy and use that for his recent passport.