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To be furious at relative telling my child about Santa I

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sunnyblossom1 · 22/12/2019 23:50

Relative was taking to my son when I wasn’t there. He is 11 but still has that little belief that Santa is real and discussed with me the other day how magic Christmas and Santa is. He is a very young 11. This relative had a conversation with him when I wasn’t there and basically told him point blank that Santa is not real. She has two kids of her own that don’t believe. I am so angry right now. Why can people just not let kids be kids and let them have that little glimmer of hope.

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Milomonster · 23/12/2019 15:04

I think you over-reacting. More worrying is that you encourage an 11 year old to believe Santa is true.

elmosducks · 23/12/2019 18:08

@Icanflyhigh that's wonderful and sums it up perfectly

sunnyblossom1 · 23/12/2019 21:37

I honestly thought this was a site that is there to support each other as mums but it just seems to be a place for many to just have a go at other people and make themselves feel more superior. It’s a shame because it could be such a wonderful place for people to get support.

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Doubletrouble99 · 23/12/2019 21:57

My Step Daughter's DH told our 6 year old AS. I was so upset, only discovered after they had left to go back home 400 miles away. Never ever understood why he would do that to a wee boy who had only had 3 'normal family' Christmases with us due to the terrible, chaotic live he had before he came to us.

oobedobe · 23/12/2019 21:58

I couldn't get worked up by this. I told my DD1 when she was 10, she had heard rumors at school and wanted the truth. It was hard to tell her but I prefer that to her continuing to believe at 11/12 etc

I love Christmas but Santa is a small part of the whole thing I have never spent the run up to Christmas going on about 'santa this and santa that' there is PLENTY of magic in Christmas without the fervent Santa belief.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/12/2019 22:08

All the 'furious' people, when would you start to talk about Father Christmas realistically? 14, 18, 47? I mean I would assume at 11 a child knew, just as this woman did. I thought DD was late at 9 and most of her friends knew already.

I am already dubious about lying and 'magic' though.

QueenOfTheFae · 23/12/2019 22:11

Really? 11?

circleorsquare · 23/12/2019 22:16

Father Christmas isn't real? I've just watched Miracle on 34th Street #I'mabeliever
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Bluerussian · 24/12/2019 05:15

circleorsquare Mon 23-Dec-19 22:16:30
Father Christmas isn't real? I've just watched Miracle on 34th Street #I'mabeliever
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That's funny circle!
I dislike all theChristmas films on TV, Ch5 has a surfeit of them during the day! Since retired I occasionally put telly on if nothing better to do and am disappointed. I wonder if children like them.

I didn't believe in Fr Christmas after the age of four or so tho' parents wanted me to. My son didn't believe either (must be in the genes), but husb and I never said much about it except that it was a magical story.

Christmas was still good - quite wonderful in many ways, certainly enjoyable. The only reason kids will be heartbroken if they suddenly discover the truth about Santa is because their parents perpetuated the myth! Their really is no need to do that.

isabellerossignol · 24/12/2019 05:24

Children are babied so much these days. I can't imagine an 11 year old believing in Santa when I was growing up, yet loads of people here are saying it's quite common.

I think it's really cruel to let 11 year olds believe in Santa, although I wouldn't go telling someone else's child as it's not my place to do so.

KatherineJaneway · 24/12/2019 05:31

It would never occur to me that an 11 year old didn't know that Father Christmas wasn't real.

Kinsters · 24/12/2019 05:53

Are you sure he really believed? He may be just pretending/playing for your benefit and his.

Having said that I agree that it's not right for your relative to say outright that FC isn't real - I'd never say anything like that as it's a bit of a spoilsport thing to do. Yes literal FC is not "real" but doesn't mean adults, teenagers and children can't have fun playing along with it. I realised really young that FC wasn't real, Christmas morning was still magical.

Obligatorync · 24/12/2019 06:18

I'd be furious with the relative, especially this close to Christmas. However, at 11 it's probably honestly best that he knows.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 24/12/2019 06:23

Oh, I think this is tricky. Mine worked it out at four (which was helpful, as he’s an anxious chap and we’d had an attempted break-in that year and he didn’t like the idea of FC being able to get in), and I’m a bit literal so the idea of lying too earnestly to my child didn’t sit at all right so I agreed with him and that was fine. And maybe the whole thing is less traumatic when children find out much younger and so that’s why many of us struggle to see this as anything other than inevitable by age 11?

I told him then that it’s a fun and kind game families play, and it was important not to spoil that for any other families by telling children it wasn’t real.

... and then we still go on to visit FC in a grotto each year, and write a letter, and leave out a mince pie, and definitely still get presents in a stocking, and we both play along and whilst I obviously know he knows, I still grin and insist it was FC who ate the mince pie and brought the presents. It’s still one of the magical bits of Christmas even though it’s just a game.

It’s difficult expecting other people to collude in a lie you are telling your children, I think. I’m religious but also quite frank with my DC about what I believe and that different people do/don’t believe different things and that my own belief wavers in terms of how literal it is and that it is a fairly crazy business to believe in the resurrection etc. I can’t imagine him getting to 11 and never hearing someone say categorically that god does not exist. And that’s ok IMO. The difference (and difficulty) with FC is that it isn’t so much about different beliefs in the unexplained and unknowable, it’s about parents tricking their children. Kindly, lovingly, and almost always without any trauma at all when that era is finished, but nonetheless it is tricky to expect other people to cooperate (especially if they don’t know it’s important to you).

Had you planned to tell him? When?

Pol16 · 24/12/2019 06:44

I’ve always struggled to explain why I still believe in Santa Clause/Father Christmas. My grown up children laugh at me and think I’m crazy (in a teasing way). I always try to explain that the concept is a symbol of the spirit of Christmas that makes people
behave more kindly to each other and brings happiness, especially to children. But Icanfly’s contribution is brilliant and I’m just going to use this to explain why I ‘believe ‘ in future.

fantasmasgoria1 · 24/12/2019 06:51

I knew when I was 5 and my children knew at a similar age. Although I think it is wrong that your relative told your son I do think at 11 he should know. There are many things your son can believe in and have hope /faith about. I'm really surprised he hasn't been teased about it. Perhaps he really has known the truth for some time now and hasn't told you he knows!!

RuthW · 24/12/2019 06:57

She said that as he's 11 and probably didn't dream that an 11 year old believes. She's done him a big favour if he still did.

Billben · 24/12/2019 07:12

I honestly thought this was a site that is there to support each other as mums but it just seems to be a place for many to just have a go at other people and make themselves feel more superior. It’s a shame because it could be such a wonderful place for people to get support.

Oh, now I see why your DS at 11 still believes in FC😀.

slipperywhensparticus · 24/12/2019 07:22

My 11 year old has stopped believing I know what you mean by a glimmer of belief though he mentioned a few weeks ago about him not existing I said prove it 😂 he is considering it 😂 he knows but he doesnt mention it around his younger brother he considers it harmless fun and he knew I bought most the presents anyway santa just brings sweets and things mom wont (like a coconut for my random youngest)

Sprinklemetinsel · 24/12/2019 07:45

I told my DS before he went to secondary school. It's fine for children to believe while they are in primary. He was shocked it wasn't real. In his very analytical mind, the magic of Santa was more believable than 'all the adults in the world conspiring to lie to children'.

We'd never pushed it, just provided the stockings, every thing else (carrot, sherry etc) was driven by the children.

Instagrump · 24/12/2019 08:48

I think it's a little saddening that he's been told a fib by someone clearly on the naughty list!

But seriously, yes he's 11. Yes most 11 year olds know the "truth" that there's no Santa but that little sliver of possibility that magic exists does bring some joy to kids of any age. It's a shame to see so many people on here talking about not lying to children about fake, mystical beings and yet have no issue with going to Church as if it's any more plausible than a man delivering gifts and joy to children one night a year.
My standard reply to my kids (yes even the high schooler) is "Aaah, but are you sure XXX doesn't exist?" as I walk away with a wink and leave them questioning it. Whether it's Santa or sodding fairies!

IHateBlueLights · 24/12/2019 08:52

Very few children believe beyond the age of 7 or 8. Their friends tell them if intelligence and logic don't.

It's cruel to pretend up to that age, his friends will think he's soft.

MindyStClaire · 24/12/2019 08:59

I don't subscribe to the MN view that no one over 4 believes. Don't know whether it's cultural or just an MN thing but the kids I know certainly believe for a lot longer than that.

However, it honestly wouldn't occur to me to watch what I said about Santa around a child in secondary school. I'm Irish and we start secondary a year later than in the UK. I'm pretty sure it was discussed openly by my teacher for the last couple of years of primary school.

It doesn't sound like it was done maliciously.

NorthernSpirit · 24/12/2019 09:06

Don’t kid yourself that a 11 year old believes in Santa.

1/3 of 6 year olds don’t believe!!!!!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/age-british-kids-stop-believing-7034592

Babdoc · 24/12/2019 09:14

But Santa Claus was real! He was bishop of Smyrna, and lived from 270 to 246AD. Canonised as St Nicholas, he went round throwing gifts of money through poor people’s windows so their daughters would have dowries to marry.
Perhaps it’s time to tell your DC this, and also that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ - the most dramatic event in human history - and not a garbled tale of a chap in a red suit.
Take him to the midnight service at your local church, and let him experience the magic, awe, reverence, wonder and happiness of the moment midnight strikes and everybody- friend and stranger- wishes each other Happy Christmas with hugs and handshakes, as we declare the Christchild is born.