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Enhanced DBS check worry

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Starshine909 · 15/12/2019 18:51

Hi everyone,

This is my first post on this forum - I am so worried, I'll be glad if anyone could help me out

  • I am applying for my second degree in radiography however there's an issue holding me back. Last year I had a heated argument with my Mum (simply due to her talking about my personal intimate life to my Grandma although I had told her not to several times..) and although there was no violence I broke 2 glasses - the neighbor called the police due to the noise and they came knocking on our door and separated us and asked us some questions (on their devices - maybe it was a risk assessment) They asked my sister and Dad whether any violence was involved and they said no it was just a family argument - the police were slightly concerned about the glass

Now I did ask him whether this was a warning or caution, he said it is nothing, it will be logged for their own sake (if it happens again they'll know what to do etc)

I am wondering whether this will come up as soft intelligence report on my enhanced DBS check - I already know they have logged it but whether it will come up or another worries me :(

Any pcs around?

Thank you in advance :(

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Starshine909 · 15/12/2019 18:55

I'm 22 years old and before anyone thinks wrongly just thought to add I ofc love my mum dearly (I don't know what I would do without her tbh and it was very silly of me to do that I know) I would never hurt her...

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WisestIsShe · 15/12/2019 18:57

Well you haven't been implicated in or convicted of any crime so at worst I suspect it would say "some local police knowledge". This came up on xh DBs when we were going through court and cafcas. You might be asked what it is but I can't see it being a problem.

horrayforharoldlloyd · 15/12/2019 18:59

No it won't. Only convictions/cautions etc show up. Honestly, you will be fine.

Creepycaterpillar · 15/12/2019 19:02

Put it out your mind, this will not show up.

helpfulperson · 15/12/2019 19:03

You are young and it is fairly minor. If it does come up the uni should ask you in for a chat and do a risk assessment. They are unlikely to turn you down. Loads of police officers have 'youthful indiscretions ' on their records. It might be more of an issue in a professional that required you to keep your temper like police officer or teacher but for this job it is likely to be fine.

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 00:11

Thanks guys :( anyone else?
I'm worried the chief police officer deems it as relevant and includes it

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PixieDustt · 17/12/2019 00:26

It won't show up. You were convicted if anything it was more like a warning.

PixieDustt · 17/12/2019 00:26

You weren't convicted*

stupidtabloidheadlines · 17/12/2019 03:27

I promise you it will not come up.

AgentProvocateur · 17/12/2019 03:31

In Scotland, for an enhanced check, any police information can be shown - not just charges. That’s the point of an enhanced check.

sashh · 17/12/2019 05:10

OK lets think the worst has happened, you have got your enhanced DBS and the police have put a note on saying called to OPs address due to a disturbance.

That doesn't mean you cannot do the degree and work.

Most places will have a committee of some kind (others have other procedures) who will ask you about the circumstances and conduct a risk assessment.

You have to have an enhanced DBS, you don't have to have a clean DBS.

I know a teacher with an assault conviction, an actual conviction but she manged to get on a training course and find a job.

All of you saying, "It won't come up" it might, the police can add anything they think is relevant.

CRB (now DBS) was brought in after the Soham murders, Ian Huntley would (did) pass the old , "do you have an convictions spent or otherwise?" but under CRB/DBS information about the complaints made about rape and sex with underage girls would show up.

OP

Prepare for the worst, have a clear explanation, then if it doesn't come up you are fine and if it does you are a situation to state your case.

Until recently I have been teaching teenagers on BTEC health and social care, they have to have a DBS for their work placement. Until recent changes cautions for situations like yours were not uncommon.

ohwheniknow · 17/12/2019 05:26

You broke two glasses? As in you threw them? At someone? Putting someone in fear of violence is common assault. (If someone was throwing glasses around or smashing and brandishing them in an argument most people would probably be in fear of violence...)

If I'm wondering, your uni might if you are explaining. You sound like you're downplaying something serious.

Did the police do DASH assessments?

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 11:04

@ohwheniknow

Yes I broke them, but I did not threw it at anyone - I just threw it on the floor, stupid I know...

I'm not sure what type of assessments they were...but they asked questions from my mum and me in separate rooms in our house, they asked my mum and even my sister and dad whether I had been violent and they all said no

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BlueJava · 17/12/2019 11:07

It won't come up, you have to have some formal action taken like a conviction or fine for it to appear (in England anyway).

DecemberSnow · 17/12/2019 11:09

No it won't come up

CmdrCressidaDuck · 17/12/2019 11:14

Throwing glasses on the floor is violence and could very easily have resulted in significant injury to someone. It would be classed as domestic abuse between partners.

I don't know whether it will come up on your DBS, but it was a serious, serious mistake, and you need to not downplay it.

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 11:24

I know it was dangerous and I know it was a serious mistake - I am not trying to downplay it at all.

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mumonthehill · 17/12/2019 11:32

Unless you are convicted or have had a caution it will not show up. If you are at all concerned speak to your local police and they should be able to tell you. I think you will be fine

JulyKit · 17/12/2019 11:43

Those saying you have to have a conviction or caution for material to show up on an enhanced DBS are wrong. That's how enhanced checks differ from standard DBS checks: anything that's on record can be included, it's at the discretion of police to decide whether they will include it or not. So they might do.
If they do, it's at the discretion of those who see the DBS to decide how to respond to it. It'd be in their interests as well as yours to at least ask you about any 'soft intelligence' material on your DBS, so, if it's there, that's what they'll probably do.
You've explained what happened here, and if they ask about the report (if it's included) then you can explain to them and they can make their decision based on that and the rest of your application.
My understanding is that in England at least, reports without caution or conviction are removed from your record after 5 years.

viccat · 17/12/2019 11:46

I used to do CRB/DBS checks for volunteers at work. I only remember one occasion when additional notes not relating to a caution or conviction were included, and they were there because it was deemed relevant to working with vulnerable people for a particular reason.

I don't think anyone can 100% say it won't be mentioned, however even if it does, it would be unlikely your course would stop you from getting a place on that basis. They may call you in to discuss it or something and you just have to be honest and explain in that case.

FairyBatman · 17/12/2019 11:48

@Julykit is right, something that the police are aware of, but is not a conviction or caution can be included if deemed relevant. As can a LADO referral even if no action take n.

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 12:01

@viccat

Thank you, may I ask what was included in the note?

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 12:02

I’m in the process of applying right now, when I get to the dbs check part, I’ll let everyone know if it was included or not :)

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Starshine909 · 17/12/2019 12:04

@viccat so basically you’re saying additional notes usually link back to the convictions/cautions/formal warning.

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gingergittable · 17/12/2019 12:08

and although there was no violence I broke 2 glasses -

I'd call that violent.

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