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JaneyCartmel · 05/12/2019 04:46

I was just wondering when it became ok to be so rude to random strangers.

I’ve seen a couple of incidents recently. In the first a woman was walking past a group of office workers who were smoking and she made such an obvious fuss - glaring at them, coughing loudly and waving her hands. She walked into them though, you could see that they were smoking, so she could have just avoided them.

I was walking up to a tram stop and a woman was smoking. Another woman stopped to use her phone and was giving the smoker dirty looks, very obviously. Again, the smoker was there first so the phone user could have stopped 10 metres up the road if it bothered her that much.

I was sitting outside a coffee shop, there were ashtrays on some of the tables (so it was clear that smokers may smoke there). Two men were sitting, smoking while they drank their coffee and a woman sat down on the table next to them and started complaining loudly to her friend about how disgusting smokers are - she could have sat at a different table to avoid them.

All of these incidents have been in the past couple of months. The smokers have just ignored the aggression in all incidents, maybe they are used to it.

I smoked for a couple of years, around the time I was at Uni but quit many years ago, mainly because it was so expensive. I have a live and let live approach though, so don’t have an issue with other people smoking (as long as they aren’t standing next to me blowing smoke in my face!).

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KerplunkyPants · 06/12/2019 17:42

I notice that cars fumes stink too. I don't drive and we don't own a car.

HarrietTheFly · 06/12/2019 22:30

Interesting isn’t it, how much many people despise smokers because they “force others to breathe in harmful chemicals” , but don’t notice car drivers doing the same thing.

Agree. In fact I generally get a negative reaction when people discover that I don't drive.

lowlandLucky · 06/12/2019 23:24

I was sat around the bar in our pub with 7 other people 5 of us went out to smoke just outside in the courtyard, we sat around a table and lit up seconds later the 2 non smokers who were forever banging on about how awful smoking was came out and sat at our table !

cardiffbird · 06/12/2019 23:31

I can't wait for smoking to be banned in public spaces. Leeds University recently made their campus no smoking and I'm now teaching at a university where every day I'm following smoke around campus and it's hideous. Call me a hypocrite after years of being a smoker, but times have changed and we know better now.

Akire · 06/12/2019 23:40

Any kind of smoke sets of my asthma so I often have to cover my face with a scarf if I’m out and passing every other shop because someone having a smoke outside, or the corridor of smoke on either side of coffee shops or shopping centres. It can leave me breathless for ages and makes going out hard, if a smoker takes that as a insult then I can assure them im suffering far longer than they are.

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:02

@cardiffbird @akire

Do you drive? What are your thoughts on those that drive gas guzzling / high emission cars?

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:05

@Gottheteeshirtandlostit

I wonder how many of those drivers criticise smokers? Even the majority of smokers who are only smoking in their garden or in a corner somewhere.

cardiffbird · 07/12/2019 09:12

@Mackerz I use public transport and the introduction of hybrid vehicles and emissions guidelines is already moving us to cleaner air. I walked out of my building yesterday as someone walked in exhaling their cigarette as they'd put it out right before stepping in. Just really inconsiderate and unsociable. I hate following people in the street smoking it's just so hard to avoid. Why should I have to walk through a haze of smoke before walking into a pub?

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:21

@cardiffbird
Why should you have to walk through the cloud of pollution at a set of traffic lights, because few people turn their engines off / drive a hybrid car. Our cities and motorways are polluted as hell. It isn’t just smokers. I understand that it’s easier to take out your anger on an individual smoker than a large faceless corporation though.

Akire · 07/12/2019 09:22

No I don’t drive I’m disabled. I know cars also produce pollution, in ideal world everyone would have green cars but that’s not happening over night. Guess I think it’s easier to smoke more out of the way of other people and faster solution than public transport being sufficient and green for everyone.

I’m not arguing you have a choice but I’d quite like a way to avoid it if I can and at moment that is just don’t go out.

cardiffbird · 07/12/2019 09:31

@Mackerz I think it's a really weak analogy. I'm not angry at individual smokers. I do wish there was more consideration given to non smokers. It seems to be that smokers consider it their right or entitlement to smoke anywhere. After years in the US I compare their more stringent no smoking policies with ours - it does vary state by state of course. Those states historically dependent on tobacco are still avoiding any restrictions which is why tax is so low on tabs.

Bluerussian · 07/12/2019 09:37

People are very rude. You'd have to be close to a smoker - and for a long time - for passive smoke to affect you. If a person is smoking outside it ain't gonna hurt.

Im so glad I'm not like that; gave up smoking many years ago but am not bothered about people who still do.

thefluffysideofgrey · 07/12/2019 09:43

Oh for fucks sake!

Passive smoking outside does sod all harm.

People moaning about having to endure an unpleasant smell for about a second, really are stupid little adolescents. Same sort of people who are rude to waiters and call centre staff!

I'm a non smoker, btw.

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:53

@cardiffbird

1 in 5 people smoke or vape. I don’t spend 20 per cent of my time outside walking through 2nd hand smoke or vape. Which tells me that most smokers / vapers are considerate and smoke / vape away from other people. I’m not saying that there aren’t inconsiderate smokers / vapers out there but they are in the minority.

It isn’t a weak analogy at all, if smoking concerns you then so should pollution. We actually have much stricter laws on vehicle pollution than the US does, as well as much higher taxes on petrol ( which decreases the amount of high polluting vehicles on the roads).

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:57

@Bluerussian @thefluffysideofgrey

Agree. People overestimate the effects of walking past a smoker but underestimate the effects of walking through traffic / living in an urban area. It’s either wilful ignorance, or an excuse to bully an easy target - because some people lead such sad little lives that looking down on others makes them feel good.

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 09:59

@twolungs

Just checking if you are still around, if you’re free could you come back and give cardiffbird some more info on pollution please?

listsandbudgets · 07/12/2019 09:59

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cardiffbird · 07/12/2019 10:03

@Bluerussian @thefluffysideofgrey it's not just the harm it's the stench. It smells gross. If you really think it does no harm then you're being naive. Ask any Doctor.

@Mackerz I'm totally against pollution- I don't think I ever said it was ok?

Love how easy it is to provoke on Mumsnet- sometimes common sense and fact just don't win? Angry people and angry times.

I just don't like smoke or vaping in my personal space.

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 10:08

@cardiffbird

I absolutely agree! The OP asked when did it become ok to be openly aggressive towards strangers in public, just because they were doing something you disagree with. Smoking is legal.

A lot of posters didn’t bother reading it but came along to point out that they think smokers are terrible people. Bullies will bully, hey?

tempnamechange98765 · 07/12/2019 10:09

I'm never rude like the people you describe in your post, but I do hate hate hate walking past someone who's smoking and walking etc, especially pushing a pram.

I know it sounds irrational, they're allowed to walk too and they're not doing it to deliberately annoy me, but it does feel very anti social to smoke in a public place like that. Bit different if there's plenty of space to avoid them, but sometimes there isn't, eg near a bus shelter.

I also think it's a good thing that smoking is becoming so socially unacceptable. There are so many options for smokers to help them quit nowadays.

Obesity is of course another health crisis but as pp says, they don't impact on others directly like smokers do (and if they do, I'm sure they hear about it - how many posts have we seen on here complaining about sitting next to an obese person on an aeroplane/bus/train).

ClientListQueen · 07/12/2019 10:28

Please try not to link vaping in with smoking as it's not the same. And supporting people who quit smoking by vaping means less smokers, less smoke so it's a good thing

Mackerz · 07/12/2019 10:37

@ClientListQueen

A lot of posters have said that their issue with smokers is having to breathe in their 2nd hand smoke and then gone on to say that vape is worse.

Of course, this isn’t really the issue. It’s actually because they enjoy bullying people who they know that very few other people will stick up for, it makes them feel like they are important, for a few fleeting minutes.

ClientListQueen · 07/12/2019 11:04

Yeah I quit smoking and got more abuse over vaping
Stinks
At least you know what's in fags
Popcorn lung 🙄
New cancers

I felt like saying fuck this and going back to smoking because nobody whined at me then

JaneyCartmel · 07/12/2019 11:20

@cardiffbird

“It’s just that drivers think it’s their right to drive anywhere”

Do you have an issue with drivers as well? The points about vehicle pollution on this thread are valid, ask any doctor. Sometimes common sense and fact just don’t win, do they?

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SerenDippitty · 07/12/2019 11:34

Years ago I went to a rugby match. This was before the ban in public places. The selfish cunt next to me was smoking. Technically it wasn’t allowed for fire safety reasons, but stewards did nothing. I couldn’t move, it was a sellout and I’d paid for my seat. It was awful and ruined the experience for me.

Smoking in places even outdoor places, where close proximity to others is unavoidable is the height of selfishness.