Why Do men become gynocologists?

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I have to have some treatment and all of the gynocologists I can pick from are men. I don't trust male gynocologists (no bad history just bias). It'd help me to understand good reasons why some men choose this specialism.

As I see it, I have an ear so I can understand what it's like when someone pokes their finger in it. I get the experience of having an ear and have an interest in furthering medicine into it. Buy why are male doctors interested in women's genitals? Is it some deep respect for their mothers? A peculiar interest in otherness? I don't see the motivation.

I entirely accept on an intellectual level that most of them aren't in it for kicks and that being elbow deep in hoo hoo all day isn't erotic but I really don't get what motivation got them there.

Does anyone have any insight?

I’m sick of these attempts to force women to drop their own boundaries. Women have a right to say who touches their body for WHATEVER reason and no one else has the right to try to guilt trip them into permitting men to have access to their bodies, no matter their profession. Take about coercive control! 🙄

Everyone should have the choice to refuse a male doctor. They may have to wait longer or travel further. That could have impacts on their health but that is up to them. Sad to think that they would sabotage their own health because they think male gynaecologist are perverts but they are entitled to make their own bad (possibly fatal in some cases) choices.

She also said she entirely accepted it wasn't erotic. The OP was expressed in a rather confused manner so I think you'll struggle to pin down exactly what was and wasn't meant. She also asked a totally open question about what the motives are, which of course invites discussion on a range of reasons.

I entirely accept on an intellectual level that most of them aren't in it for kicks and that being elbow deep in hoo hoo all day isn't erotic

Why didn’t you quote the whole comment, or does that not suit your slur that the woman hates men. That was a very MRA approach.

@Bartlet For some women seeing and being physically examined by a male dr would be devastating for their mental health. They may have worked to finally being in a ‘good place’ mentally and would be weighing up whether they felt it was worth having past trauma re-emerge and all the damage that could do to them.

Sad to think that they would sabotage their own health because they think male gynaecologist are perverts but they are entitled to make their own bad (possibly fatal in some cases) choices.

If the majority sexual assaults on women wasn’t committed by men, then females wouldn’t have any concerns. Nobody has said Male gynaecologists are perverts, some have had experience of SOME male medical staff being perverts.

Sad to think that they would sabotage their own health because SOME males are perverts but they are entitled to make their own choices. Maybe if perverts stopped assaulting women, then women would have no concerns. Why are male on female assaults being made to be the responsibility of women?

*weren’t

@neonglow. As I said, it’s totally up to them. Everyone should weigh up the pros and cons of any medical procedure. Just because I happen to think that they’re being stupid and self-sabotaging doesn’t change their freedom one iota. .

What their choice can’t do is magic up any new female gynaecologists so it may be a case of male or nothing.

Everyone should have the choice to refuse a male doctor

You started off well before plunging into victim blaming, misogynistic twaddle. Maybe women's choices have less to do with thinking all men are perverts and more to do with their own boundaries, comfort, or even lived experience, as believe it or not, men do sexually offend. Why is it a victim's role to pretend this doesn't happen and go against her own mental health needs, just so some faceless Internet poster doesn't go straight in for ridiculing them?

Well if you feel that principled about the matter then refuse to see one. Makes it easier with shorter waiting times for us other women who don’t actually care as long as the doctor is professional and experienced.

Or campaign at medical school for more women to take that speciality. There are more female junior docs than male so numbers could change quickly if you could persuade more women to specialise. Fortunately we don’t have medical specialities ordained by sex with women being forced to adopt Ob and Gyn roles due to our sexual organs.

It may be a case of male or nothing.

True, as I said upthread. Very problematic.

Stupid and self-sabotaging

Can you read? Or do you have sociopathic traits and are unable to empathise or relate? There are tons of posts here expressing themselves 100 x better than I am, in relation to why a woman might not want to be treated by a man. And yet you scroll past and still choose to call them 'stupid'? Which is it?

Makes it easier with shorter waiting times for us other women who don’t actually care as long as the doctor is professional and experienced.

Well, you don't know what you'll get on the NHS - you may get someone who's not experience or unprofessional - but hey, crack on victim-blaming and sneering at others. LOL @ women's choosing to be treated by females HCPs translating into shorter waiting times for the woke.

I can feel sorry for what has happened to someone but still feel that their actions are stupid and self sabotaging. The only people they are hurting is themselves and their loved ones.

I and others are pointing out the practicalities of the matter. If this thread is just to rant about how awful some men are and therefore how many women don’t want a male doctor then fine. But it’s not going to change the sex balance between consultant Ob and gyn doctors

to think that they’re being stupid and self-sabotaging doesn’t change their freedom one iota

Would you actually say that to a woman who didn't want a male gynaecologist because she had suffered sexual abuse from a man?

Well, considering the profession is now about 40:60 female:male and the numbers of females entering medicine is now about the same as males, the likelihood of this dramatic death from stupidity and self-sabotage you claim is happening to such silly women, Bartlet is quite slim.

If all women who prefer to see a female gyn doctor can see one with no adverse delay then that’s the ideal situation. It’s should always be the patients choice whether they want medical treatment. The issue comes when that choice is not available and then the patient is the one who suffers.

I am not anti-women at all and will never defend at all costs male feelings or their position but sometimes principle and reality clash and we can’t always have things the way we want them.

I am not anti-women at all and will never defend at all costs male feelings or their position but sometimes principle and reality clash and we can’t always have things the way we want them.

Maybe they wouldn't clash if so many men didn't become male gynaecologists in the first place. There will be a limited number of jobs so if some are taken by men arguably fewer women have the opportunity to take those jobs in the first place.

Because it’s bigotry. Should women be able to dictate that the female HCPS demand aren’t lesbians also?

Why would women "dictate"that? Lesbians are women and belong to a class who rarely sexually abuse others. Men belong to the class most likely to abuse.

The MRA klaxon seems to have been sounded.

woodchuck99 unfortunately I don’t think it’s that simple - we have a shortage of HCP as it is; I really don’t think there are hundreds of women out there who would have gone into gyno etc if not for men beating them to the post. If men were banned there would just be a shortage of doctors which would disadvantage women even more.

I wish I knew what the answer was - it’s clearly not that women who are uncomfortable should shut up and put up with a male HCP; I thinks it’s a wider problem in general about looking how to make specialities more attractive to women - part time, set shifts etc. It would require a radical overhaul of the entire NHS though!

unfortunately I don’t think it’s that simple - we have a shortage of HCP as it is; I really don’t think there are hundreds of women out there who would have gone into gyno etc if not for men beating them to the post. If men were banned there would just be a shortage of doctors which would disadvantage women even more.

I know several women who resigned from being hospital registrars because there was no option for part-time work when they had children. Two of these women were gynaecologists. One became a GP and the other left medicine altogether. Perhaps if they didn't have to compete with men who were happy to work long hours they would still be practising as gynaecologists.

I get the impression that gynae work doesn't require long hours because macho doctors fancy it that way. It's because things like childbirth don't reliably happen on a 9-5 schedule and hospitals want staff who can be on call for a 3 am emergency.

@dietcokemum

I was answering the ‘gynae’ part not the ob-gyn when I referred to the on call being quiet.

There is not need for your ‘seriously’. A dr friend had found that consultant gynaecologists do not called in often when they are on call.
If that is not generally the case then I am wrong, which is fine. I was only speculating.