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Dh called dd a cocky piece of shit

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MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 22:49

Dd is 11, she's lazy and a bit selfish, but Ime that's nothing too out of the ordinary at this age. She's a nice girl and she does as she's told (eventually!) she's definitely not unruly or naughty, just a bit grumpy at times and complains when she's asked to do things round the house.

Dh struggles more with the kids when they're older, think he managed better with toddlers he can tell what to do for eg.

Tonight he asked Dd11 to wash up, which she did, but she left some so he told her to do it properly, about half an hour later he asked her to tidy up a bit in the living room. She said no, gave some back chat etc and went up to her room.

He went up a few minutes later and threatened to take her phone away, she said she didn't care, he threatened to snap it in two, she didn't care, so he walked out and slammed her bedroom door and said she was a cocky piece of shit.

He said he muttered it but she heard him through the door.

I've told him it's totally unacceptable, and if this is how he deals with, what I feel is, normal mild pre teen rebellion/asserting themself, pushing boundaries, how on earth is he going to deal with her when she really starts with the teenage behaviour. I have told him it can't happen again. She's a child ffs. He agreed and said I'm right but I can tell he thinks I'm overreacting.

He did go up and apologise to her, but from being with him for years he does have a habit of apologising and doing the thing he apologised for again. I'm not going to tolerate it, I know we all snap sometimes but come on. I feel like it's worse than smacking a kids bottom for being naughty. Or am I totally overreacting?

Dd was really upset

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MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:42

3 others
Dd 9 was asked to put dishes away and also help tidy the lounge
Ds7 was asked to clear the table and help tidy the lounge
Ds3 was asked to feed the cats and help tidy the lounge

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SpiderCharlotte · 24/11/2019 23:44

Well it seems I'm in the minority, but I'd hand him his arse for speaking to a child like that.

How anyone thinks that's the way to deal with that kind of behaviour is beyond me. She was rude, cheeky etc and that needs to be dealt with but an adult having a tantrum and swearing at a kid is not the way to do it.

SeperatedSwans · 24/11/2019 23:44

I mean he hardly shouted it at her, he muttered it under his breath and got caught out. He apologised I don't see what more he can do.

Also the 11 year old needs to sort herself out, and follow simple instructions when requested. Even my 5 year old will put his Duplo back in the box when asked to do it before bedtime.

Back up your DH more and things won't escalate to this point where he's oist control (but hardly massively) and she's giving it the old crocodile tears to you about it all to get away with ignoring her father.

You will have a teenager soon, I'd work on getting said child to follow instructions before all hell breaks loose.

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WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 24/11/2019 23:45

Poor sod

She was cocky without a doubt.

MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:47

@seperatedswans

This will sound arsey but it's honestly not...
Do you have any advice on how to do this? There are consequences, but she doesn't really care.
She is much better at listening to me than dh though because I actually talk to her about things other than just asking her to do things

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BumbleBeee69 · 24/11/2019 23:48

Well it seems I'm in the minority

Yes... you are.

MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:49

OK I know she was cocky, I'm not in any way excusing her behaviour!
I just didn't realise it was acceptable to call a child a piece of shit. He says he muttered it but she heard him through a closed door.

Anyway I've accepted I'm overreacting and I won't give him a hard time about it. And yes there will be consequences for behaviour

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ChloeDecker · 24/11/2019 23:50

Ok. So DH’s consequence was to apologise. What has been your Dd’s consequence?

CalleighDoodle · 24/11/2019 23:50

The 3 year old fed the cats?!

And how much of a mess is the lounge?! Shock

MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:51

She has no phone
She has no tv
She will be doing extra chores tomorrow
She has been talked to and told w how her actions are not OK and have affected others
She has been told to apologise

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doritosdip · 24/11/2019 23:51

If everybody is tidying up/doing chores and one child is dilly dallying and wasting time negotiating with a parent then it's unfair on the other kids. You risk all of them copying their older sister so they have your attention and negotiating.

It's pretty simple really- it's tidying time for everyone. Tidying sucks but it's necessary and non-negotiable. If everybody pitches in then it shouldn't take long. Presumably this is part of your family routine so shouldn't come as a surprise to her either.

MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:53

Yes the 3yo poured dry biscuits into a bowl it's hardly difficult?
And there were toys in the lounge, a few cups, not too bad but they were all asked to give it a clear up, would have taken the 4 of them 2 minutes,

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doritosdip · 24/11/2019 23:53

There was a recent thread about whether it was ok for parents to refer to their child as a shit in texts (not in front of the child) Most people said it's normal to do it out of earshot of the child because children sometimes behave like shits.

SeperatedSwans · 24/11/2019 23:54

@MeeceandMice

She will care about consequence, if you find the right one.

My son never cared about the naughty step, he thought it was somewhere to relax, so that didn't work. He didn't care about being sent to his room, because his toys are there so he just played. He didn't care about his tablet being taken away because he could just play another game/toy.

The only consequence that works ..placing his favourite dinosaur toy or duplo in to the perspex "jail" with a timer on it. Confiscation of a favourite item

Sounds like the phone in your situation is the item to go, and I am sorry but even if it means prying it out of her hand to confiscate it, it needs to be done to show, actions have consequences. People resist arrest, because they don't want to be arrested but they still have to be.

Start physically taking the phone away, you will only need to do it a handful of times before the threat is enough to stop the poor behaviour.

I'd say in this house now the t-rex only enters "perspex prison" twice a month at best.

MeeceAndMice · 24/11/2019 23:56

I take the phone away constantly! That's what I mean. She's not had it for a week, got it back for a day and now she hasn't got it again!

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ChloeDecker · 24/11/2019 23:59

I take the phone away constantly! That's what I mean. She's not had it for a week, got it back for a day and now she hasn't got it again!

Then it is not an effective consequence. You have already said in your opening post that she didn’t care when her father threatened to take her phone away. Why would you include that as her consequence? Listen to SeperaredSwans, you need to find what she will care about.

BloggersBlog · 24/11/2019 23:59

CalleighDoodle I was just thinking exactly the same things 😁

BoxtheRight · 25/11/2019 00:00

Has everyone lost the plot? Poor girl. She doesn't deserve to be called a piece of shit, especially by her own father.

I honestly feel so terrible for her. Hopefully OP will comfort her like a mother should.

MeeceAndMice · 25/11/2019 00:00

Thanks all plenty to think about
Going to bed now but appreciate all that's been said

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SpiderCharlotte · 25/11/2019 00:01

@BumbleBeee69 And? It's hardly going to change my opinion is it? I don't think that swearing at kids and threatening to break their belongings is the way to deal with poor behaviour - you and lots of other people do. It's perfectly fine to disagree.

The ellipses for dramatic effect is a little silly.

doritosdip · 25/11/2019 00:01

If she did what she did at someone else's house or at school, the adults in charge and other the other kids will think that she is behaving like a shit. It's a strong word that people shouldn't say to her directly but they will think it.

SeperatedSwans · 25/11/2019 00:05

@MeeceandMice just keep confiscating the phone and any other luxuries or prohibiting activities or something.

I once emptied my son's bedroom of toys during a terrible summer holiday week when he was 4, he was literally left with a bed, and a wardrobe and a lamp for days because his behaviour was so poor. He knows now, I will take all luxuries away for poor behaviour if I must not just favourite toy in a box.

I know I sound extreme, but I'm a lone parent of a son, who when he is 15/16 is probably going to be about a foot and a half taller than me, and physically stronger then me. He needs to learn now at 5 I'm in charge, I can't wait till he is nearly a teen to start laying down boundaries and consequences.

You also can't just keep letting her cry at you to settle the argument/upheaval she has caused. By all means talk to your child when she is upset or feeling angry, by all means comfort her at times of genuine distress, but next time she is reprimanded for not following instructions and starts crying, leave her to it. Don't reinforce the behaviour of "tears get you a result." She's 11 not a toddler with limited emotional control and understanding of the world.

64sNewName · 25/11/2019 00:07

Surprised by the balance of responses because I’ve seen many threads on here full of the near-unanimous view that anyone who swears at a child - particularly if they’re actually calling the child a swear word (as opposed to kind of swearing in passing like “I’m so fucking angry”) - is emotionally abusive. As in no grey area, it’s abuse, don’t kid yourself, etc.

I’m not saying that’s necessarily my own view but it does show you that you’ll get different snapshots of what MN thinks on different days, OP.

(swearing is my own downfall when children wind me up although I would not call them a piece of shit)

MeeceAndMice · 25/11/2019 00:10

Thanks new name, these echo my own thoughts

Also just to clarify, her tears didn't win anything. I went up to ask what she thinks she's doing speaking to her dad like that, she cried and told me that, and I told her well you are acting like one, and when you're asked to do something you do it straight away without moaning. Then I left and went to ask her dad what had gone on

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