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How come so quick (squatter today jailed for public order offence yesterday)?

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Aridane · 11/11/2019 18:37

So today the squatter who threw a firework into the crowd during a Remembrance Sunday commemoration was jailed for 16 weeks.

No problem with the sentence - but how on earth did this go,through the courts so quickly?

I know there were special sittings of the courts in the evenings and weekends when we had the riots / lootingS a number of years ago - but that was them a special case to quell mass disorder.

So how come this was dealt with Ina matter of hours? I didn't know this was even possible

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KindergartenKop · 11/11/2019 19:56

I disagree that he was disrespectful, but what law did he break?

I can't answer your question though OP, sorry!

Sparklingbrook · 11/11/2019 20:00

He was definitely disrespectful. I too wondered how it all happened so quickly.
The man with the traffic cone had a good aim too!

TroysMammy · 11/11/2019 20:01

Public Order offence and throwing a lit firework in public. He also has 21 previous convictions.

Bezalelle · 11/11/2019 20:05

He's been made an example of, so the powers that be can prove pre-election that they are "tough on crime".

Windygate · 11/11/2019 20:06

Nicked just after 11am, processed and denied bail. Up before the magistrate this morning, pleads guilty. Magistrate follows sentencing guidelines and doesn't feel the need to send to the Crown Court for sentencing. Prison transport collects late afternoon and off he goes the HMP Somewhere.
To be fair he's probably glad he is inside and has some protection.

Aragog · 11/11/2019 20:07

Was he out on licence or something which just means he's sent right back after a brief hearing in court? That often happens very quick.

JoanieCash · 11/11/2019 20:09

I have no knowledge but presume he was in the police cells over the weekend who perhaps didn’t want to give police bail (due to previous convictions), the police/cps had enough to pursue and so he saw a magistrate this morning, without need for going to a crown court? I think it’s the crown court stuff that takes forever, but magistrates courts move quickly.

Passthecherrycoke · 11/11/2019 20:10

Maybe he was recalled

Passthecherrycoke · 11/11/2019 20:10

In fact I suspect he was- otherwise isn’t prison very unlikely for a public order offence like that?

Passthecherrycoke · 11/11/2019 20:11

I’m sorry I missed troys post.

Aridane · 11/11/2019 22:42

He pleaded guilty to one count of throwing a firework in a public place and a public order offence at Manchester Magistrates' Court today. I don't think it was a recall from licence

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 11/11/2019 22:54

What law did he break.

I don’t believe what I’ve just read.
Are you actually kidding me. How about endangering life for a start.

He should have got 16 years. Not 16 weeks.
21 convictions. What was the idiot (and that’s an insult to idiots, btw) doing on our streets.

Aridane · 11/11/2019 23:59

The man was homeless

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Aridane · 11/11/2019 23:59

So literally on our streets

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AlwaysCheddar · 12/11/2019 06:35

What law did he break??? FFS ...incredible. He should have aimed the firework at you then if you’re not fussed about that kind of thing.

brentwoodbaby · 12/11/2019 06:42

The cynic in me says this is an easy way for someone to ensure they are fed and warm over the winter when they might otherwise not be.

I feel sorry for him.

JoanBonJovi · 12/11/2019 06:46

Probably on a suspended sentence order with conditions

JoanBonJovi · 12/11/2019 06:46

I’d not feel sorry for someone with 21 precious convictions. Each one of which hurts someone else.

PegasusReturns · 12/11/2019 06:47

Where someone is in custody without bail, wants to plead guilty and the sentencing option is clear then the process is very quick.

Pantone345 · 12/11/2019 06:48

Mag courts not crown. Sentencing guidelines taking into account previous convictions and the fact we don’t fuck around with people disrespecting 2 minute silences.

Tolleshunt · 12/11/2019 06:58

It does seem quick, and I would suspect he’s been made an example of. There were harsh sentences given to Dave Gilmour’s son and his friends for disrupting a Remembrance Day service too, so it seems the authorities are determined to stamp out any deviation from toeing the line.

It’s also a bit baffling considering how supremely unbothered our local cops were (Met) when I reported some teenagers firing rockets down a local street. Missed me and DD in her pram by inches and then laughed. AngryThe police didn’t bother to come out and stop them, so presumably didn’t worry about potential injuries.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/11/2019 07:03
  • Magistrates court, not crown.
  • Pled guilty immediately.

What would delay things in that situation?

wanderings · 12/11/2019 07:21

It was impressive how quickly it happened; although in my book, 21 previous convictions would automatically have given him 16 years, not months. It was sad that the lone police officer had to fend off the baying mob.

I thought how similar it was to the Canning Town incident, with the baying mob. Now, how about similarly quick prosecutions of XR activists who deliberately set out to cause mayhem? (I’m glad they kept their mouths shut for Remembrance Sunday!) What a shame they were recently told by the court that they are untouchable, because that’s how they’re going to interpret it.

AllPowerfulLizardPerson · 12/11/2019 07:39

This isn't unusually fast for cases going through the magistrates court.

And I'm wondering which part of 'throwing a firework into a crowd' people don't realise is a criminal offence.

As it should have been for throwing fireworks anywhere, and I'm sorry police did not take the report from Tolleshunt more seriously

moobar · 12/11/2019 07:47

"I disagree that he was disrespectful, what law did he break?"

I cannot believe I have just read that. Unbelievable. Both parts of it.

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