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DH is saying he won’t vote as “They’re all as bad as each other”

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Guineapig456 · 01/11/2019 13:48

I’m really worried that a lot of people may feel the same way, we’re all mentally tired of Brexit and the politicians do seem hopeless to a smaller or larger extent. But if people like DH don’t vote, it scares me what could happen after the election. I’m not political in any way but I’m worried for our future and most importantly my DCs’ futures. Crime, the NHS vulnerable to a U.S. style takeover, economic struggles, plus Brexit still not finished simply feels too much. Yet saying that we’re not going to vote doesn’t feel right either. I don’t know who to vote for, just that I hope whoever wins the election can really do something to help the vulnerable in our society, provide opportunities for our young people, genuinely invest in the NHS and other public services so that people can live rather than just exist.

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JacksonPillock · 02/11/2019 09:32

Why don’t more people get involved with local politics? It’s too easy to be an ‘armchair’ politician, to moan about politics, to sneer at the candidates and the main parties but why not do something constructive? Being involved at local level can be very interesting, but even local town councils struggle to get good, committed candidates

Most people are too stressed out and overworked to want to put what little.spare time they have into it.

Loopytiles · 02/11/2019 09:35

Pointless getting involved in local politics if you’re in a “safe” seat.

Temeraire · 02/11/2019 09:47

If like me you think that climate change is a matter of desperate and urgent importance then a vote for the Greens is always worthwhile as a signal that a decent percentage of the population haven’t taken their eye off the ball and still prioritise it. They may have some policies I don’t agree with but since they have zero chance of implementing them or being elected in my area I’m not that fussed. (Actually I may not vote for them in this particular election but they’re always an option for me whenever I don’t fancy the alternatives).

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AgeLikeWine · 02/11/2019 09:54

It’s his choice to not use his vote, but not voting is a cop-out. The non-voter is saying that they are happy to let others decide who runs the country, and in whose interests it is run. If you don’t vote, you don’t have your say.

Loopytiles · 02/11/2019 10:03

Voting is a (rare) opportunity to have a say in who gets elected in your specific constituency. That’s all.

Marmozet · 02/11/2019 10:26

Vote for the policies not the leader. Read each parties manifesto and decide from there. Leaders constantly change but the policies are still the parties backbone.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 02/11/2019 10:29

As someone who cannot vote in UK elections, I can see that this election is quite probably the most important one in decades.

Really really important.
If you don't take part in the process, your voice will never be heard.
Please vote.
Make your voice heard.
It is so important.

P1nkHeartLovesCake · 02/11/2019 10:30

People have the right to vote, that doesn’t mean that have to. Not voting is a perfectly valid choice

Loopytiles · 02/11/2019 10:39

Voting is not “making your voice heard”.

BalloonSlayer · 02/11/2019 11:03

There used to be an advertising campaign for registering to vote/actually voting,which showed photos of horrible, ignorant, hateful and racist graffiti. The strap line was: "Use your vote. Because he will use his."

Don't let it ever get to the point when the only people voting are the rich, the corrupt, the deranged and the hate-filled.

Iggly · 02/11/2019 13:48

The more I read this thread, the more I think we need compulsory voting like Australia.

Cantstoppiggingout · 02/11/2019 22:25

I get where he's coming from and kinda agree with him, but I will be voting for the least worst option, which in my case is the party most likely to stop Labour getting in, as I can't stand Corbyn.

Cantstoppiggingout · 02/11/2019 22:26

They all do what they want once they get in anyway.

Hadenoughofitall441 · 02/11/2019 22:36

My view is they are all a bunch of wankers so I don’t wanna waste my vote on someone who doesn’t give a shit about the rest of us. People can say what they want about me not voting however until we get suitable representatives in this farce we call a government I’m not wasting my time to vote.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/11/2019 08:29

The more I read this thread, the more I think we need compulsory voting like Australia.

That just makes it utterly meaningless, though. It also blows out of the water any claims that the winning politicians/parties would have of claiming they had people's confidence and support and had been given a clear mandate, as they would never know how many people had actually chosen to vote for them or had just picked them at random to avoid a hefty fine. Remember that Ali G interview where the character claimed he just voted for the person with the funniest name? Can you imagine a reality where Mr Pratt narrowly squeaked it and beat Mrs Smith directly because of people who had no idea what they were both like as people or which policies they stood for?

They might not actually care, as long as they get the numbers of votes in, but would you want to be in a relationship where, instead of your DH meeting you, finding you attractive, developing a close affinity and then falling in love with you, his mum had told him "You need to find a woman to marry" - and then you'd crossed paths, fit the very basic 'brief' and he'd thought "Well, I suppose she'll do, then"?

Not the same thing, I know (and of course, you get an equal say in it too!), but I think compulsory voting causes more problems than it solves.

It's all academic, anyway, as whatever efforts you might make to the contrary, you know that (in England, at least), you will end up with one of two parties - both of whom you may find objectionable for a number of reasons. It's not really a 'choice' as such, when you have to decide which you hate less. You may be content to do that for tactics or the path of least resistance, but if voting were compulsory, that would mean the government forcing you to 'endorse' one of them.

Does hating cats automatically make you an obsessive dog-lover? If you can't stand coffee, does that make you an avid tea-drinker? Detest a lot of what the BBC stands for, so you therefore see no issues at all in how ITV runs its affairs?

If James is really kind to his own children, but beats and controls his wife; whereas Colin is really kind to his own children but abuses other people's children, which of these two men do you think is a good bloke, willingly put your faith and trust in to do the right thing and actually want to get behind and publicly endorse? Come on - you must support one of them, right? Legally, you HAVE TO....

We don't really have democracy in practice. You have two contenders who don't even need a majority of the votes, just at least one more than anybody else. They both tell lies and make promises that never get kept. They will hurl abuse at each other and object bitterly to what the other party does when in government, but how many of these contentious policies do they ever reverse once they get into power? I'm not saying that the smaller parties aren't the same; just that they don't usually have the chance of getting into power (on a UK-wide basis, anyway).

I suppose that only the action of submitting a ballot would be compulsory, so there would be nothing stopping you from spoiling it; but you can do that now, so what would you have actually achieved?

MeClavdivs · 03/11/2019 09:05

Sure buffet, that must explain why Australian politicians all have such funny names Halloween Hmm

Helmetbymidnight · 03/11/2019 09:07

this is what thick people like to say.

MeClavdivs · 03/11/2019 09:11

Eh?

Helmetbymidnight · 03/11/2019 09:13

'they're all as bad as each other'

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/11/2019 11:13

Sure buffet, that must explain why Australian politicians all have such funny names

I think you might have missed the main thrust of my argument there. It was maybe hyperbolic to mention the Ali G comment, but if people are only there because they want to avoid a fine, you're very unlikely to get a considered vote, whichever method people use to pick a name.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/11/2019 11:25

@Helmetbymidnight

Maybe using that exact phrase is technically foolish, as it suggests that politicians are all clones; but given a little interpretive licence, I don't see it as inherently stupid to become so disillusioned by all of politics and see nobody with a will, ability and/or in a position to make any kind of significant difference.

You see it a lot on here: women who have ended up being the victims of male-perpetrated abuse and violence from several partners who can have a tendency to swear off men and say "they're all the same", "I'm done with men" etc.

Technically, their beliefs may not stand up to intensive scrutiny, but I don't think that, if you feel your trust has been constantly taken for granted or abused by a particular class of people, you can automatically be accused of being stupid for then being very wary of that class of people and their motives or their desires and abilities to change.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/11/2019 13:16

i enjoyed reading that comparison - but dont accept it. Smile
not getting into a relationship because you think all men are shit seems a perfectly reasonable and self- protective stand point.
but the fact is every citizen is in a symbiotic relationship with the ruling class in this country - opting out of it is not self-protective but therefore not v bright.

yes, you let the bad guys win. youve got to wonder how those who couldnt be arsed to vote - or said theyre all as bad as each other- in the german elections of 1933 for example.

i heard it a lot during the clinton v trump campaign and the leave v remain - it really doesnt standup to scrutiny- and it gives ammoral, self-interested liars license to do anything.

JacksonPillock · 03/11/2019 14:14

yes, you let the bad guys win. youve got to wonder how those who couldnt be arsed to vote - or said theyre all as bad as each other- in the german elections of 1933 for example

So you're saying that it's thick to say "they're all as bad as each other" because in your opinion, they're not all as bad as each other? So which party/ies are the not-bad ones that the intelligent people should vote for then?

Doingtheboxerbeat · 03/11/2019 14:21

I'm voting for anyone who will get rid of universal credit, womens rights is a fight I will save for another day.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/11/2019 14:25

theyre not all as bad as each other.

hitler and his opponents were not all as bad as each other.

trump and clinton were not all as bad as each other.

leave and remain are not all as bad as each other.

absolutely thick if thats the reason you dont vote.