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Feeling left out by other Mums

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 12:56

Hi, I guess this is not exactly original but I keep getting hurt by feeling left out by Mums from my son's reception class. My son is lovely but quiet and struggling socially ( has struggled with playdates, birthdays and even the playground and soft plays). We're awaiting a diagnosis of ASD. I've been going to this little club with my boy in the local library for at least 3 years,and I've been chatting to these mums there. It's not like we're strangers at all: I've held their babies, shared stories/ struggles and so on. I noticed at the time that some mums seemed to go out together,and that their children would have lunch at one or another's house. We were never invited. My son was completely quiet and stuck to me at the library but I carried on going because I believed it was good for him, and I enjoyed the chats although I sometimes had to force myself a bit as I find situations like this sometimes a challenge.
Well, the children have all known each other for at least 2 years ( same nursery and then same preschool class and now same reception class), but apart from a few playdates ( always initiated by me) and the usual birthday parties where everyone is invited, nothing. I didn't really see the mums apart from the club as my work meant my husband would drop my son off at breakfast club in the morning and I'd pick him up at after school club in the afternoo. I don't understand why I'm so upset but I guess I was almost expecting them to understand how difficult it is for me to see my son struggling so much, and for me to want him to make friends with their children. I've also got a baby now ( 3 months old) and although I'm much more free as I'm on maternity leave, we're still not invited although we've got the time now. I really wanted my son to have a little Halloween party,and I even posted on our Mums WhatsApp asking what everyone was doing on the evening. They all replied in a very vague way, and my hope's of being invited fell through. I organised for my only real Mum friend and her son ( 4 as well) to come to us, and they did and my son had the most brilliant time: I was so surprised and elated he enjoyed it so much as he's usually withdrawn in that sort of situation. The reason for feeling so upset this morning is that one of the mums posted a picture on Facebook today and they were all there: the Mums I've known for years with my son's little friends. They had their Halloween party and it made me so sad I could cry now...

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RAINSh0wers · 01/11/2019 15:03

Oh I know how you feel. My DD’s friends all went trick or treating last night but we weren’t invited. And to make it worse they were telling her all about it yesterday (even down to where they were meeting). She’s only 5 so luckily easily distracted, so we took her out with her little sister, I was more upset than she was.

I’m focusing on the fact that DD still had a lovely Halloween, she got loads of sweets and went to bed happy Smile It sounds like your little boy was the same, and had a brilliant time with his friend.

StartsAtTheMeadow · 01/11/2019 16:00

My eldest has some additional needs too and I've found the same thing, sadly. People are polite and don't actively exclude us as such (eg he still goes to whole class bday parties) but they don't want to see us in their spare time as it were. Which is their right, but it's hard to be on the receiving end of.

confusedofengland · 01/11/2019 17:11

I understand & feel the same. My DS2 (8) has suspected ASD & although I feel like I've made friends with a group of mums & we do things socially (nights out, coffee mornings etc), when it comes to DS there is nothing. They have Halloween, Christmas & New Year parties to which we are never invited. There are rarely whole class birthday parties any more (although there is one coming up in a few weeks), so he is lucky to get one or two party invites a year, while other children get lots. He did have a best friend, whose mum I am friends with, but that seems to have fizzled out & my heart aches for DS when other children are invited to playdates with this boy & not him.

My DS is the loveliest, sweetest child & everybody says so. Fortunately for him, he doesn't seem to notice these differences too much, except when his brothers have playdates & parties but not him. But it breaks my heart Sad

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xraytangocharlie · 01/11/2019 17:14

The only thing you really have in common with these people is that you have children of a similar age - that's it. You wouldn't expect all your work colleagues to automatically be your friends just because you happen to work with them.

I know its hard, but try to not let it get to you.

OooErMissus · 01/11/2019 18:14

The only thing you really have in common with these people is that you have children of a similar age - that's it. You wouldn't expect all your work colleagues to automatically be your friends just because you happen to work with them.

I don't really understand this argument, and don't think it's helpful.

The OP doesn't expect all the Mums to automatically be her friend.

But when you get thrown into any group situation, you expect and/or hope to make friends with some of them.

I don't expect to be friends with all my work colleagues, but over time I click with some and make friends with them. Same as when I was at school myself, University, etc.

The school gate is no different. You're thrown together with a group of disparate people for an specific reason.

Most you won't even pass the day with, some you will get to know and some you'd expect to make friends with, the same as any group you're thrown into, in life.

I'm sorry you're experiencing this, OP. It's so unkind to post pictures on social media, when you know there will be people looking in from the outside. I've long since stopped posting and sharing, because I actually think it's kind of ... I don't even know how to express it without offending people. But a definite part of it for me is 'how would this [photo of group of people having fun] make someone not included feel?' And the thing is, there will always be some people not included, and it's very, very rarely for unkind reasons. It's just because you can't always invite everyone. That doesn't make it any easier for the 'excluded' person, though.

It's difficult, once a group forms, for others to infiltrate it, as it were. It shouldn't be, but it is, especially if you're shy, reserved, quiet, etc.

I think all you can do is keep inviting friends over for your DS to play with, and try to keep the focus on him.

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KindOranges · 01/11/2019 18:23

But when you get thrown into any group situation, you expect and/or hope to make friends with some of them.

But it's the luck of the draw, surely? I haven't made friends with any of the other parents in DS's class he's year 3, and they've all been together since reception, some since nursery. They just aren't my tribe. They're perfectly nice, and on the rare occasions I pick up DS, we chat in the playground, but they're simply not my kind of people, and nor am I theirs. Whereas I've been at my current workplace for exactly the same length of time, and have made one very close friend, and one quite close one, and one nascent friendship that was cut off when the person left her job after only a short time, though we've stayed in touch as well as several other people I'm happy to have coffee or lunch with.

It's a superficially similar situation in being thrown into a random group of people , but in fact the nature of my work means that it's a far more likely pool of potential friends. There are groups and groups.

OooErMissus · 01/11/2019 18:39

Well, on that basis, we shouldn't expect our DC to make any friends, since they've all only been thrown together on the basis of nothing more than being the same age.

I have made lots of friends at the school gate, because I've happened to meet like-minded people, who I have a laugh with.

I've made more friends through school Mums than I have through my current job.

This is all missing the point though - the OP I'm sure doesn't automatically expect to make friends with all the Mums.

But as with any group you're thrown into, it's not unreasonable to expect and/or hope to make friends with some of them. 🤷🏻‍♀️ You're thrown together for a specific reason, you get to know them, make friends with some, and the friendship transcends the superficial reason you were thrown together to begin with.

Evilmorty · 01/11/2019 18:45

I found that in situations like this, no one wants to break rank and go that extra mile. You sometimes find one who will (and become really good friends) or a group that really gels, but those experiences aren’t the norm.

I also think that a lot of mum groups who appear close have a lot of their own unspoken alliances and petty gripes as well.

Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:10

Thank you for your message. I get some comfort out of knowing he had a great time, I'm just so sad it wasn't with his friends he sees every day in school...

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:12

I'm completely with you on this one. My son is lovely if you make the effort to know him. To be fair, I think the mums don't necessarily have an issue with him, I get the feeling they're not keen on me,which hurts.

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:15

It breaks my heart too... All the teachers and TAs say he's lovely and sweet and so good, but there have been previous birthdays/ gatherings when my son had a screaming fit because of the noise. I guess other parents clocked this,and we're not on their radar for play dates or parties now... Or maybe it's just me they don't like... It's just so hard because I've always found making friends difficult and it reminds me of being this child not invited to parties...

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:46

I know that but I'm so desperate for my son to have little friends he can see outside of school... It seems unfair to invite children just because you get on with their mothers, not because the children are friends themselves. As my son struggles socially because of his SEN, it's even more of a priority for me to get it right.

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:51

Thanks for your message. You're completely right about groups being difficult to infiltrate: I feel like an imposter when I'm with this specific group, and not sure how to act. I'm finding it very hard to be cool about it as I've made so many efforts to " get in" on behalf of my son. I want him to feel liked and valued,and his friends do that at school ( they're aware they have to treat him differently,as in not shouting near him as it sets him off) but it doesn't necessarily translate in the wider community... Like you, I believe everyone wants to feel this warm fuzzy feeling of belonging,and we're just not there yet....

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ballsdeep · 01/11/2019 19:53

Ergh I hate this.
I used to be really good friends with mums in the school and I've completely distance myself because they are bitchy and all they wanted to do was slag off other kids.
I hope you are OK op

Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:54

I'm like you and wouldn't be friends with these people if it was a different setting. However, I'd like our relationship to be enough for my son to be included in his friends' parties and play dates. I suppose I'd like those mums to be a bit more emphatic towards us as my son is slowly increasing in confidence, and just need sympathetic surroundings to get going.

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dontknowdontknow · 01/11/2019 19:58

Please don't focus on these people. Put your energy into your real friends and others. Don't chase people who aren't worth it. I COMPLETELY understand everything you're describing and to some extent it still goes on. I agree with @OooErMissus that it's incredibly rude to post about events others aren't invited to. It's just poor form if you ask no. Of course groups will form but there's no need to make people feel bad. You are not alone, but you are making yourself feel worse by chasing friendships where perhaps you need to move on. I think early days of new baby makes you feel low, tired and vulnerable too. Maybe it's a good point to find new mum friends relating to your new arrival. Perhaps people with their first who will benefit from your kindness and sensitivity, these others sound thick skinned and horrid. Good luck xx

Cel77 · 01/11/2019 19:58

What gets at me is that I've known pretty much all of them for a while, albeit on a strictly"acquaintance" level. I'd have expected more of them as I've been going through rough patches ( a tough pregnancy at 41 after 3 miscarriages, and our son's SEN being flagged up by the school)and feel very isolated as a result. This morning really threw me and it took a lot out of me to brave the playground tonight,and acknowledge some of the mums. I actually felt quite depressed.

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Applesanbananas · 01/11/2019 19:59

That's really cruel of them, you sent a message asking what everyone was up to and they all avoided it. I would have been very hurt and assumed they were all in on it to not include your son and you. I would just distance yourself from them in a very subtle way. They are basically fake to your face. Your ds will make friends in time op.

Cel77 · 01/11/2019 20:00

Thanks for your message. Feeling a bit better tonight but dreading the school gates on Monday.

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 20:03

Thank you. What hurts the most is that I heavily hinted at doing something together yesterday evening,and nothing came out of it. And then I saw this picture of all of them together this morning. It actually made me feel physically sick. I'm just wondering if they even know how it could have made me feel... And I agree it that having a new baby,and adjusting to the new routine on maternity leave probably amplifies my feelings...

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Cel77 · 01/11/2019 20:05

That's what hurt the most I agree with you. It really turns me off those mums but at the same time,we had good chats with some of them on a one to one basis so I always felt they liked me enough. Now I'm not so sure...

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ballsdeep · 01/11/2019 20:07

They do probably like you op. I was in the same boat as you and honestly, as hard as it is, you're better off without them. They will be cliquey and bitchy and posting pictures after you heavily hinted says a lot about them.

Peggywoolley · 01/11/2019 20:22

Aw I hear you OP. And it will be especially tough as you have just a baby so will feel a bit raw. I felt horribly left out and on the margins with DC1, and it hurt that one of the mums I was actually friends with sometimes went out socially but as I lived in the next village didn’t think to invite me.

A few years on and it’s all fizzled our a bit and there have been a few falls outs which I have happily also missed.

I am now on to school gate chats with DC2’s friends’ mums and they are all a bit less full on and normal. It’s hard this school gate business! Flowers

Cel77 · 01/11/2019 20:27

Yes, I guess it's pretty full on around here as we live in a village,and the WhatsApp group last year probably set the group up for the cliquey atmosphere as it was pretty intense. There's not that many activities either around here and you find the same people go there all the time,and if you just drop by from time to time, you're not made to feel like you really belong... I hope it'll all fizzle out as you say.

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onetimeonlyy · 01/11/2019 20:31

I hate reading this. People can be so mean and thoughtless. All I can think is they are in their little bubble and not realising. I hope you and your boy meet some nicer mums at school. ❤️