Sue Radford is pregnant....

[MadameFoner]

Just seen a post on Facebook...

I just don't understand how her body can physically take that many pregnancies and births. She must be some sort of medical marvel. Have all her births been natural?

What is she going to do when she has no eggs left?

Poor children/adults.

Oh dear Lord. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

I think Greta Thunberg needs a word with the Radfords

Well, one pregnancy was enough for me. She must be mad to put her body through it so many times, quite apart from the cost and exertion of looking after that many children.

Makes a change to the only-children-bashing threads though. I guess what it does illustrate is however many children you have someone will always criticise. I realise this is somewhat extreme but it's still judging people for their childbearing decisions.

staydazzling Just a bit!

She was 13 when she got pregnant. That’s not to say she didn’t have sex even earlier than that.

She won't stop until she can no longer conceive or they have to take her womb

I'd be scared shitless of something going wrong during Labour

@Allthecake89 are you sue? Or a friend/daughter? Your post seems very defensive. 13. 13! Think about it.

Also calling Noel a pervert etc. That's really cruel when his children could well see this. He's stayed with her.

I'm stunned at the idiocy here.

'He stayed with her' well that's ok then, at least he didn't shag her when she was a child and the leave her

Fucking hell

Allthecake

The fact that you set the bar so very low in your defence of the Radfords might be something you want to think carefully on.

"Come on people. There are people beating and starving their children. People who don't ever take their kids out to the park or make sure they are at school regular. People who's kids are scared of their parents. All the sad things in the world and your going mad over a women who just loves having babies. "

Just because a situation isn't at the extreme end of neglect and abuse, in and of itself doesn't translate to a set of circumstances that are optimal when considering how best parent a family.

Ensuring a child's basic rights to be housed, fed, nor beaten and gain an education are simply the very, very basic tenants of parenting.

That doesn't automatically equate to good parenting.

I thought it was telling that some of the kids being interviewed for the show a couple of babies ago said that they didn't really want their mum to have more babies.

DH grew up in a family of 6, and he says now that he always felt pressured to say that he loved being in a big family, because if he said he hadn't, he felt like he was saying he wished his younger siblings hadn't been born. A friend of ours was also one of 6 and says she feels the same.

I imagine it's similar for the Radford children. The parents do seem to make a big deal of saying how happy everyone is about being in a big family, but some of the middle kids have said they don't want their mum to have more babies - they seem to be resisting the family of "we're all so happy" narrative.

I imagine the older ones are clued in enough to understand that the pregnancies carry greater risks now, too.

I thought it was sad that one daughter went off to uni and Sue was saying that the daughter would be busy all day phoning home. The girl dropped out and came home fairly quickly.

Allthecake is definitely one of them if not Sue herself. Same mentality and way of thinking.

I'd have more respect for him if he had left her. 'Got carried away' makes a lot more sense if you go 'oh fuck, I've made a monumental, illegal fuck up' and put an end to the situation immediately rather than carrying on seeing the underage girl you've got pregnant.

@Allthecake89

She couldn’t consent at 13 because she was a child ☹️

They are loved. They are not beaten. They don't go without. They often have next clothes. They have Clarke's shoes. They get nice weekend away and stuff. They help out with their siblings

Let's be honest here - not physically abusing your children at the same time as feeding them, housing them, and clothing them is the absolute bare minimum of child rearing. There is a lot more to parenting than loving them and buying Clark's shoes.

There is no way on God's green Earth that those children receive the level of attention and emotional investment that they need. Each child is simply one of many and while their parents may know superficial details like each child's date of birth, shoe size, or a vague set of likes/dislikes I bet they couldn't tell you anything more significant or in depth than that. They have 19 still at home? Deducting out the school day of 9am-3pm plus and hour either side for the school run and presuming the children wake between 6am-7am and all go to bed by 9pm there are six hours of potential time together as a family. That equates to just 18 minutes per child. That's not even long enough to read or do homework never mind have a proper chat, play a game, or do any sort of activity. They even eat there meals in sittings so there aren't even opportunities there to touch base and catch up with everyone's day.

Fed, clothed, and not beaten is all fine and good but past a certain point having so many children does equate to emotional neglect as it become impossible to meet the individual needs of everyone.

Hardly going to make a YouTube compilation of 'times the kids hated being one of 20', are they?

As the children get older, particularly as more and more of them reach adulthood, I would not be shocked if one or more eventually 'breaks ranks' and gives a tell all interview about the realities of growing up in that sort of environment.

Also calling Noel a pervert etc. That's really cruel when his children could well see this. He's stayed with her. He has been a wonderful dad and supported sue through the years. Yes he got carried away with someone years ago. Someone who consented and he is married too now. If she wasn't forced then It was her choice to have sex with him. I think that needs leaving in the past really!!

She was a child, he was not. She was not able to give consent as a child cannot consent to sexual intercourse. Even if she specifically said to him "let's have sex", as the adult in the relationship it was his responsibility to say "not a chance, you're thirteen for goodness sake!" or words to that effect. Saying if she wasn't forced then it must have been her choice shows a pitiful lack of understanding on your part of exactly what grooming is and how it happens. It was illegal sex with a minor and regardless of whether he married her it says to me that Noel is of dubious moral character.

PS: wonderful dads don't lock their kids in their rooms at night and they don't get their wives pregnant over and over again after being told that it is medically inadvisable to do so.

Mumsnet is so weird.

Woman,7 months pregnant, taking drugs, smoking and drinking, what shall I do?

“Nothing!”

“It’s her body, her choice!”

“Stop judging and be supportive”

Another woman, has loads of kids and seems to look after them pretty well, no one really knows because we don’t live with her but they are all happy and well cared for, but she has kids, possibly due to attachment issues for being adopted.

“She’s a moron with learning difficulties”

“Disgusting woman”

I'm not saying it's legal or right. It was 30 years ago and obviously there family have dealt with it and they have chose to stay together and be parents. I am not bluddy confining rape or abuse. Sadly underwge pregnancies are a thing and always have been. No it's not right. But what would you all like to happen. Him to go to prison. His kids to all think he was a disgusting horrible man who harmed their mum? None of this really has anything to do with you lot

They are parents having another baby. You have all come out saying cruel things even about the children being a waste of resources and not having much hope of a future better than shelf stacking

Maybe they don't get as much time and maybe their set up isn't great. But who has a perfect family???? Do your kids always feel 100% happy. I bet they don't. Plenty of middle children feel left out. Plenty of male children are favoured or the other way round. There are hundreds of different types of families.

I've seen Noel cooking these kids fresh meals from scratch. I meant they have decent shoes etc on their feet when I said clarks. I meant they are providing them with decent enough things. I meant the kids are not in poverty and are having the same things as my two kids have

No I am not sue or linked to sue. All I see is a big family that are doing their best. Not all of them live at home. Yes the house is abit mad but how do we know the time they get? How do we know they don't have family that go round and help aswel. I'm sure if you asked the kids if they looked bed their family and we're happy they would be. Imagine how they will feel reading you lot calling their parents horrible names. Imagine how they will feel reading that you think they are a waste of drs, NHS, schools etc. All of you have your own loves to be living. If you don't like them, don't follow them. If you don't follow them then their lives should not bother you.

I did compare it to worse things to state how petty you are all being. Do these kids really look like they need rescuing. They have had some fabulous days out this year on beaches etc. They are surrounded by love. Maybe sue is baby obsessed but I don't believe any of those kids are truly unhappy and hate life. The only thing I wouldn't like is being filmed all the time. But clearly Tilly enjoys it. It seems the others are not on the videos so I'm sure they get a choice.

I think it must be like living in a children's home or an orphanage.

Apologies for the typos!

@Tweetingmagpie, the 7m pregnant woman taking drugs and drinking doesnt currently have a child. She is pregnant so as far as things stand right now it is her body and her choice, as morally repugnant as that may seem. It is also an entirely different set of circumstances.

In this situation there is a woman who already has more children than she can possibly give proper care and attention to and is now adding yet another child. Yes, it her body and her choice however it is unfair on her existing children and they are not the paragons of perfect parenting that they claim to be.

What you see though is what the media wants you to see.

I'm not saying Noel doesn't cook from scratch (in between extensive shifts in the pie shop to pay all bills ) but there is a naivete in believing that with 22 kids all needs are being met.

It seems the others are not on the videos so I'm sure they get a choice.

I try to generally stay away from threads about the Radfords as otherwise I start to get cross about their children's lack of childhood. Nevertheless, this statement is pure rubbish.

Their whole 'fame' is built around having so many children so of course they don't get a choice in being paraded about. They only get to go on holidays and trips etc because they are being paraded about as a clan of 20 +. Even when their eldest son didn't want to go on tv shows and pose for photos he was superimposed into images. The truth is none of the children have a choice in being part of the media circus.

No I am not sue or linked to sue

How do you have all of this first hand knowledge?