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transgenger book being introduced to 12 year old at school

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Molucco · 19/09/2019 08:53

Just wanted to see what other parents think about a book called the art of been normal being introduced to all girls secondary school year 8 in English ?

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yulet · 19/09/2019 09:53

Something like a 10,000% increase in the last few years and heartbroken detransitioning people on reddit talking about it but IT'S NOT A TREND. Grin

GCAcademic · 19/09/2019 09:54

I feel for kids having to grow up in a world with such bigots and transphobic people . So is being gay a trend there is more openly gay people now than 50 years ago.

As usual, smears and false equivalences are all that is available.

Someone's sexuality is their sexuality. Someone's sex is not that of the opposite sex. See the difference? One of those things involves a lie. And requires female people to concede their single-sex spaces to males.

CarolDanvers · 19/09/2019 09:55

I am sorry to say that being trans is not a TREND.

I'm sorry to say there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that in certain age groups it very much is a trend and at the very least with the huge increase in the self mutilation of healthy bodies that goes hand in hand with being a young girl deciding they're actually a boy this is something that needs to be researched extensively.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/09/2019 10:00

I remember there was a ‘trend’ in my sisters year group at school for girls to self-harm - not in my year group at all. It was half-hearted attempts, with girls scratching their wrists with pencil sharpener blades. So yes, trends happen, and some are worse than others.

Soola · 19/09/2019 10:01

www.transgendertrend.com/

OrchidInTheSun · 19/09/2019 10:02

Oh that review multivac:
"kate just doesn’t feel trans. for starters, there’s the lack of reaction to microaggressions"

Kate isn't playing the victim nearly enough to be tru-trans Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Well at least it's honest.

@MutedUser - trans ideology is regressive and homophobic. And bigoted

Soola · 19/09/2019 10:05

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/04/children-put-risk-transgender-books-misrepresent-medical-knowledge/amp/

Children are being put at risk by transgender books in primary schools that “misrepresent” medical knowledge on puberty blockers, an academic has claimed.

Books and lesson plans that are designed educate pupils about transgender issues “fail child safeguarding and conflict with the law”, according to Dr Susan Matthews, an honorary senior research fellow in creative writing at Roehampton University.

After analysing a series of books that are circulated in British schools, Dr Matthews found that much of the information given about medical transition is “inaccurate”, adding that “potential harms are ignored, glossed over or falsified”.

She cited a book called Can I Tell You About Gender Diversity? which is aimed at children aged seven plus. The story’s protagonist is a 12-year-old character called Kit who is transitioning from female to male by using hormone blockers to stop the onset of puberty.

The opening passage reads: “My name is Kit and I’m 12 years old. I live in a house with my mum and dad, and our dog, Pickle. When I was born, the doctors told my mum and dad that they had a baby girl, and so for the first few years of my life that’s how my parents raised me. This is called being assigned female at birth. I wasn’t ever very happy that way.”

Later in the story, Kit declares that “the best thing about hormone blockers is that if I change my mind then they won’t hurt my body”.

But Dr Matthews argues that this is “misleading”, since there is no evidence to demonstrate that puberty blockers are fully reversible when taken during puberty, or if they cause permanent harm.

“The presentation of unchecked claims about drug-based interventions through books in schools is an irresponsible minimisation of invasive and experimental treatment, which seems only designed to sell it to young people,” she wrote.

The book's commissioning editor, Andrew Jame, said that information is "not inaccurate and does not misrepresent medical guidance".

He added: "The advice given in the book, especially referring to puberty blockers, is in line with NHS guidance and numerous LGBT charities and organisations who work with and support trans children and their families.

"The book is also very clear about the age at which young people can access hormones and then surgery, as well as the strict procedures for doing so, in accordance with treatment pathways as set out by NHS gender identity clinics."

Dr Matthews' critique of children's literature was published in the book Inventing Transgender Children and Young People, edited by Prof Michele Moore and Dr Brunskell-Evans.

She co-wrote a chapter in the book with Stephanie Davies-Arai, founder of Transgender Trend, a group set up by parents to campaign against gender identity teaching in schools.

The book, due to be published by Cambridge Scholars Publishing, is a collection of essays by clinicians, psychologists and sociologists.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/04/transgender-children-medically-treated-risk-serious-irreversible/

MutedUser · 19/09/2019 10:08

@orchardinthesun yes I am a homophobic bi sexual . All those years going out with a woman and I’m homophobic who knew .

Helmetbymidnight · 19/09/2019 10:09

This novel, which won awards in the UK, is a first-person narrative about two transgender students, and is ideal for cisgender (cis) readerspeople who identify with the gender assigned to them at birthto learn more about gender identity and what it means to be transgender.

is this book being studied in class? if so, ild have a word with the teacher. im not 'cis' and object to the woolly thinking here.

OrchidInTheSun · 19/09/2019 10:11

If you believe that men can become women and that lesbians should have sex with them, then yes, you're homophobic @MutedUser.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/09/2019 10:12

One mention of ‘cis’ and I’d be telling the school where to stick the book. Here’s a clue - we all born with one.

CassianAndor · 19/09/2019 10:13

I would go ballistic at any school using the word 'cis'. Fucking postal.

MutedUser · 19/09/2019 10:13

@0rchardinthesun that made no sense who said anyone should be forced to have sex with anyone?

Helmetbymidnight · 19/09/2019 10:14

my sex was observed/recorded pre-birth. gender stereotypes have been placed upon me.
no i certainly dont 'identify' with them.

MutedUser · 19/09/2019 10:17

Here is the definition of homophobia orchard

The homophobia definition is the fear, hatred, discomfort with, or mistrust of people who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

CassianAndor · 19/09/2019 10:20

Muted yes. it's clear that many people espousing trans ideology really don't want either themselves or their children to be gay or lesbian. Maybe not you - but it sounds like you don't really know that much about it, tbh.

The ideology is inherently homophobic. Gay and lesbian people are often gender non-conforming, and girls in particulate are being fed the line that if they are gender non conforming they must be trans.

Bibidy · 19/09/2019 10:20

I don't think that someone who isn't trans would we swayed into thinking they are through reading a book?!

This is like when people didn't want their children 'corrupted' by watching Elvis on TV!

They will no more be 'pushed' into being trans than they would be 'pushed' into being gay - it's not even possible.

And if reading this book makes any child who does have these feelings feel less alone and terrified then where is the harm in that?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/09/2019 10:22

What, ‘mistrust’ - all of them - or am I homophobic if I don’t, say trust my sister when she says she forgot to get tickets for the cinema tonight?

And ‘discomfort’ - I love dogs but am uncomfortable around certain breeds who have owners who don’t train them.

I think you are expanding the definition there. A phobia is an anxiety disorder.

OrchidInTheSun · 19/09/2019 10:24

Anyway - back to the book.

I would go and talk to your DD's teacher OP. I would take the transgender trend resource pack with you: bit.ly/GNCpack3

You can download it from that link or you can order copies of it and other resources from here: www.transgendertrend.com/shop/

Often schools don't really think this stuff through and are just wanting to be kind and inclusive. Telling children they can change sex and that a life of medication, infertility and mutilation is positive is not kind though. It's abusive.

Helmetbymidnight · 19/09/2019 10:27

i dont believe in God and i dont believe in 'lady' brains or 'being born in the wrong body'
Im happy for my kids to learn what religious people and ideologues think: but i would rather that crap want presented as fact.

Helmetbymidnight · 19/09/2019 10:27

*wasnt

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/09/2019 10:28

Why is this relevant to children anyway? I still fail to understand why they don’t push the line - respect all (it’s a two way street) and treat people as you want them to treat you - whether it’s age, sex, dis/ability, race, religion or looks.

Molucco · 19/09/2019 10:35

Thanks for all your feedback , glad I asked the question . Good to hear different perspectives on this subject .

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Helmetbymidnight · 19/09/2019 10:40

its a very important message:

girls - dont object to boys in your spaces. dont trust your intuition. be KIND to men!

the word girl means nothing but liking pink nail varnish and dancing.

girls who arent keen on the 'assigned' girl things might actually be boys- try breast binding and hormones! its great.

Bibidy · 19/09/2019 10:49

Why is this relevant to children anyway? I still fail to understand why they don’t push the line - respect all (it’s a two way street) and treat people as you want them to treat you - whether it’s age, sex, dis/ability, race, religion or looks.

I think it's more about allowing the topic to be more widely accepted and recognised and giving children a way to see they're not alone.

According to Stonewall: More than one in four (27 per cent) trans young people have attempted to commit suicide and nine in ten (89 per cent) have thought about it. 72 per cent have self-harmed at least once.

I can imagine statistics were similar for the gay community years ago. Perhaps with greater understanding and acceptance - within themselves and those around them - these young people won't feel so desperate.