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Why is there a second vote on a general election in Parliament today?

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whatshallIdo1 · 09/09/2019 06:50

when there was one last week which MPs voted against.

Is the voting mechanism different today?

Would love to better understand the workings of Parliament.

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LillithsFamiliar · 09/09/2019 11:09

Sashh sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant the general population. Yy I think all our elected representatives should be ashamed that they triggered Article 50 and then arsed about for 3 years not implementing it and not revoking it. It's laughable that they're now pretending a 3 month extension will make a difference.

I am not a fan of May or BJ, but this complete clusterfuck rests on MPs across all parties.

Bufferingkisses · 09/09/2019 11:18

On the point of voting repeatedly on exactly the same thing; to be heard again after rejection the proposal has to be substantially changed. In the case of the election they have changed the proposed date by 1 day. This is enough of a change to make it "new" and so can be voted on again. This cannot go on forever though as the date is tied in with the EU meeting on the 17th therefore I think this is his last shot using date as an excuse.

nancy75 · 09/09/2019 11:19

This complete clusterfuck rests on David Cameron

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 11:31

Somebody at work has made a valid point. If the opposition are blocking the vote because they are pretty certain they will be defeated, is that not undemocratic in itself.

MadameButterface · 09/09/2019 11:32

“And look what happened to the lib dems when they got into bed with Tory party. The grass root left deserted them.”

Nick clegg got proper put in his place, not only losing his previously safe seat but losing it to incompetent dipshit workshy clown jared o’mara. After a burn like that i expect NC was quite relieved last week when boris completely redefined the scale and concept of political humiliation. Anyway. Off topic mainly but i expect any lib dems with any intelligence are keen to avoid repeating that type of major fuck up.

noblegiraffe · 09/09/2019 12:44

If the opposition are blocking the vote because they are pretty certain they will be defeated, is that not undemocratic in itself.

They’re not blocking the GE because they think they will lose it, they are blocking the GE because they think it is a ploy by Johnson to set the date of the GE so parliament isn’t sitting on 31st October and so can’t block no-deal.

Once the threat of crashing out with no deal is passed, then I think everyone will be quite happy to have an election.

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 12:47

So if they were confident of victory they would do the same thing. Err I think not.

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whatshallIdo1 · 09/09/2019 13:16

Thanks @Bufferingkisses - that’s what I didn't understand.

And yes I think David Cameron is responsible for a lot.

And the rebels doing what they are doing now is only the same as many members of the current cabinet blocking May’s deal, only that she didn’t remove the whip from them, like a tantrumming toddler. Much as I don’t like May either.

What is sad is that so many will buy his Parliament against the people rhetoric, so he is basically relying on the right wing press, and people’s lack of information to do his “job” for him.

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Ronsters · 09/09/2019 14:06

Agree with incandescent that I think Labour are blocking a GE as they think they will lose. I don't believe the "for the good of the country" spiel.
I don't think it's undemocratic though for Labour to do this, for them it's the sensible thing to do, why walk headlong into defeat, may as well wait a bit and see if the polls get better.

Bufferingkisses · 09/09/2019 14:30

If Johnson gets his election parliament stands down to campaign. At that point no one can block anything he does. He can wait a couple of days and say "ooh I don't think it's right to have an election so quickly let's give "the people" more time" change the GE date to 1st November and there's not a thing that can be done about it.

That's why it's being blocked, because no one in parliament (including a decent portion of his own party) trusts him. It's got nothing to do with winning or losing.

He has no majority and has disposed of a dangerous number of popular mp's who can stand against him. Corbyn does not have the "people's vote". There is no clear winner in an election at the moment so it would only serve to throw the country into further chaos.

If Johnson really wanted the people to decide, as he claims, he would call a second ref. He doesn't want to do that because he doesn't care what the people want. He is using the threat of an election at a time when an election would be disastrous to try and further discredit the opposition. He knows they'll try to block it because it's a stupid idea. He then gets to spin that into soundbites that fit nicely into a newspaper headline.

He's PM for 3 years at least, what can he possibly gain from an election except to push us over the cliff?

sashh · 09/09/2019 14:33

We all know the prorogue happens tonight don't we?

Bufferingkisses · 09/09/2019 14:34

Possibly yes, sometime this week anyway.

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 14:35

We don't need a second referendum we've had one and that needs to be honoured.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/09/2019 14:40

Because he is trying to enact the will of the electorate. But the left is stopping this happening.

The Left of Ken Clarke, John Major, and Anna Soubry?

Yeah, its a leftish conspiracy against the people.

Its unbelievable that you swallow that shit.

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 14:43

The vast majority are left wingers.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/09/2019 14:50

A brexit without a deal will screw this country for decades. Most people - left or right - understand this and don't want it.

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 14:54

We don't really know until it happens. I would like to see a sensible deal but Corbyn will do his upmost to scupper any deal.

Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 14:56

I should add and the left.

DuckWillow · 09/09/2019 14:56

Most people understand except incandescent apparently.

What a laugh that she/he even thinks it’s “left wingers” blocking things. It’s half the Tory Party too

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whatshallIdo1 · 09/09/2019 14:56

The people who scuppered May’s deal are the ERG and DUP.

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Helmetbymidnight · 09/09/2019 14:58

We don't really know until it happens

I can't take anyone seriously who says that.

"Oh dropping out of 100s of agreements over trade - of food/medicine supplies, travel, insurance, overnight, might just be great."

And that's not even beginning to start on the border with Ireland.

I mean. The fuck. People really don't get it.

DippyAvocado · 09/09/2019 15:02

Plus your stats are wrong. According to John Curtice the number of people wanting no deal is the same as the number wanting a second referendum.

But the combined total of people polled who chose either a second referendum, a revoke or a "soft" Brexit considerably exceeded those who want no deal.

DuckWillow · 09/09/2019 15:03

Boris is the biggest clusterfuck to happen for a long time. And all the Leavers banging on about unelected folk need to take a good look at Cummings who appears to be driving an awful lot of the decisions behind the scenes. Did you vote for him? No me neither.

Boris and Rees-Mogg et al are desperate to Leave because the last thing they want is for us still to be in the EU when the tax loophole laws come into place.

Rees-Mogg...paying no business taxes despite massive profits because he keeps it all off shore. That’s no money for schools, hospitals etc But you and I are idle wasters if we don’t work or if we claim any benefits.

Anyone who defends him doing this needs to look at the state of social care for the elderly and sick in this country because it is a disgrace. And people like JRM avoiding tax by exploiting loopholes need to be brought to task.
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Incandescentwithage · 09/09/2019 15:08

Jrm unethical but not illegal. Why didnt the last labour government shut these loopholes down.

MrsMaiselsMuff · 09/09/2019 15:08

I would like to see a sensible deal but Corbyn will do his upmost to scupper any deal.

Labour put forward a sensible deal, which the EU were favourable to. The deal did not get a Commons majority in March.

You're really out of your depth on this, aren't you.