Can someone explain what’s going on in parliament in idiots terms for me please?

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I’m lost! Does anyone know what any/ all parties want as an outcome of this huge, tangled mess?

Exactly what BonnesVacances said - five weeks of prorogation is NOT the same as four extra days of recess, especially as recess may not have taken place this year anyway. During recess, Select Committees still meet and questions can still be tabled in the House of Lords. During prorogation, no business takes place whatsoever and, unless subject to a carryover motion, government bills, private members bills, early day motions and parliamentary questions all fall (are essentially terminated) - including in this case the Domestic Abuse bill, which could have prevented the cross questioning of abuse victims by their perpetrators in family court. Recess only pauses the passage of bills, EDMs etc, it does not kill them off the way prorogation does.

Also Labour members voted for a leader who isn’t supported by his MPs and Conservative party members voted for a leader who isn’t supported by his MPs...

Can I ask a “what happens next?” question?

No no-deal bill becomes law. Does Boris have to write the letter at that point? Can he get an election through and not write a letter?

What happens if he refuses to write the letter and can’t get a GE? Does he have to resign?

If we have a GE and he wins, he can still exit without a deal?

If he can’t exit without a deal, what happens next?

After 3 years of stalemate Boris is trying to break the deadlock.
Parliament is locked, they are remain.
Parliament won't let him break the dead lock and has locked him in deadlock using every tactic they can.
The absolute best thing is for us to have a general election.

I've not read the whole thread sorry so this might be repetition, but Outside Source on the BBC news channel is good commentary of what's happening (and less pro-government/pro leave than the BBC can seem to be sometimes)

Wrong. Boris isn't trying to break the deadlock.

Boris is trying to keep the deadlock going until the default happens (No Deal), because it's what he and his chums want.

It's also unacceptable to the majority of the electorate.

So doing it this way means Boris gets what he wants while saying "A big boy did it and ran away".

Boris is trying to keep the deadlock going until the default happens (No Deal), because it's what he and his chums want

I don't think this is what the majority of people think, actually.

Oh perking, how exciting! Please tell me how you know its un acceptable to the majority of the electorate?
Are you happy for general election to occur?

No Deal was unacceptable to the majority at the time of the referendum – Leave barely squeaked over 50% for all variations combined. Unless you imagine that almost every Leave voter was really voting for No Deal, despite Leavers Gove and Johnson saying No Deal wasn't what they were offering, then fewer than 50% of those who voted in the referendum voted for No Deal.

Do you think No Deal support has swept to more than 50% of the electorate since then, as we discuss medicine and food shortages, and the problems of the UK border with Ireland have been better publicised?

Doubt it.

Indeed I CBA to dig it out, but someone had a poll from last week showing fewer than 50% supported No Deal. Think it was fewer than 40%, actually.

Polling on No Deal, per Sir John Curtice (published yesterday):

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49551893

Cheers, LarkDescending.

So that poll was taken in Jul and Aug this year, and only 38% said they would support leaving with No Deal.

This thread has left me more confused than I was before.

That BBC article does mention another poll which suggests the majority of the UK electorate might* back No Deal if it's made to seem like the EU's fault.

In which case I refer you to my earlier comments about Boris evading responsibility.

(*hard to be sure, as that's not the exact question polled)

Interesting titbit from a cabinet minute of 28 August (disclosed in the Gina Miller proceedings):

"There were no plans for an early General Election. This would not be right for the British people: they had faced an awful lots of electoral events in recent years".

*awful lot...

Roughly speaking:

You know when at toddler group there's a toy that all the children want.
One child has it, and then another grabs it not because they actually want to play with it, but more because everyone else wants it.
You then end up with several children having a strop because they haven't got it, and bad feeling among the mums because "A had it for too long, and B snatched it, C isn't using it properly etc."

That's roughly what's going on in parliament.

But what happens once the anti 'no deal' law is passed and we get to 31st October and no withdrawal agreement has been agreed and the EU refuse another extension??????

If the EU were to refuse any further extension then we would leave by default on 31 October.

I have not seen anything to suggest that is the likely outcome of any request for an extension, though (regardless of noises emanating from Macron).

But from the EU point of view the UK would still return Boris as PM, who still wants to leave, and any extension will then arrive at this point again.
UK Parliament refusing WA, refusing NO deal.
So why not just say we go.

So why not just say we go

Apart from the financial, fiscal and logistical disruption on both/all sides, there is the unsolved problem of the Irish border. No deal means no, or no satisfactory, arrangements in place at the border. That harms Irish interests, and so far the EU has been firm that it will not allow the interests of Ireland, as a continuing member state, to be harmed in that way. It would also be damaging to the integrity of the EU as a whole to have an unregulated border with a non member state.

Some posters on here write brilliantly and helpfully. I feel much better informed, thank you. Keep it up!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49615852/brexit-five-days-in-five-minutes

Third vote for Simple Politics, their emails are really excellent.

So why not just say we go

Because of the damage it would inflict. Their economies would also suffer, they would have to cover our contribution, they would also have to bail out Ireland financially, the cost of which has been well publicised.

In fact it's the opposite, the eu was considering removing the 31 Oct as our exit date, if no deal hadn't been made illegal. They weren't even going to wait for us asking for an extension.

And will we come to this point again, sure, very likely. And the house will keep making it illegal to exit with no deal. They need to break the stale mate.