"I'd die for my kids"

[Subculture]

I think it's a phrase most of us have heard but how many actually mean it?

Obviously many cannot afford to take the cut of a day's pay but many can. Many aren't working but won't attend a demonstration.

How many of you are going to strike on September 20th and if not, what is your reason?

The Amazon is burning, the arctic is burning, many face droughts and famine. We are outraged that Harry and family fly because of the effect on climate change, what are you prepared to do?

For more information globalclimatestrike.net/

People would die for their kids but they won’t have less children or switch to a plant-based diet for their kids!

I think if you want to choose to lecture people about climate change, being educated about the history of it would be good.

That would require effort and humility. It presumes OP wants the lecture to work. I think it's clear from responses that the awful tone of the OP has had the opposite effect.

I don't think people who post silly, content free, stuff like this actually care about achieving anything. I imagine the hostile responses probably feed the OPs sense of uniqueness and virtue. If OP really wanted to persuade anyone then they would have deleted the post and reflected on why they annoyed people.

@Greatnorthwoods

Was that a joke or serious, I can't tell.

Solonelywastheballard

No that wasn’t a Joke, as a family we are training for survival, I want my kids to be able to survive the collapse of society, and thrive on what’s left of the planet

What on earth are you talking about? Strike on 20th Sept? Not heard of this before.

Having looked at it, it strikes me as pointless virtue signalling by those with nothing better to do. No I will not be taking part. You'd do better to organise a mass write in to your MPs.

To go on strike and be sure if legal protection for employment you have to have balloted members of a trade union and notified management of the intention to strike. What you are suggesting isn't a strike. It's a demonstration. I am not going to be sacrificing my son's life if I go inro work. But I will be sacrificing any legal protections that I have at work by just not turning up. So it's a no from me.

but given the chance to think about it and make a considered decision you would do nothing?

Subculture I suppose many people feel that attending the protest is doing nothing. It will achieve as much.

I'm not sure I agree, but I understand why people feel that way.

Re the fires in Brazil for example, many of them are deliberately lit to clear land for pasture and the president of Brazil (a climate change denier who while in power has increased clearing of the Amazon) has already said he has no problem with this. What is a protest in the UK or any other country going to do about this?

How many of you are going to strike on September 20th and if not, what is your reason?

Because me striking on 20th Sept won't save anyone's life. Fairly obviously I'd have thought.

To go on strike and be sure if legal protection for employment you have to have balloted members of a trade union and notified management of the intention to strike. What you are suggesting isn't a strike. It's a demonstration.

Fair enough that OP didn't realise that- never having had a job.

@Robin2323 thank you.

That’s really interesting kenndodd any chance you can remember where you read that?

The causes and effects of climate change were being largely ignored a year ago.

I'm willing to bet I was a member of Greenpeace before you were born. Don't be so patronising.

Global economic collapse is a lot closer to us than the effects of climate change...knife crime, poverty, erosion of women's safe space...all things even closer to me! Just what exactly Will a protest in a country that doesn't even come in the top ten for fuel emissions, achieve? USA, China and India...Yeah sure protest there combined they make up over 50% of global emissions...but here I don't get it? Why don't you protest about how they're building everywhere especially here in London and south east, new developments all over the place...you do know that urbanisation is a huge factor as it traps heat...right? Protest against that!

Oh and yes I would die for my children, that's not the same as going on a protest about general climate change!

Virtue signallers get right on my nerves

Protests do raise the political pressure to put climate change higher on the agenda.

If you know any history about how the trades unions and labour party came about you'll understand how protests and strikes can work.

If you doubt climate change, it's effects and timescale just have a quick Google for IPCC report 2018.

In that report, written by a group of expert international scientists, it's unequivocal. We've got just one more decade.

After that we'll have reached the point of no return. It won't be gradual probably. After a certain 'trigger point' the current weather patterns will break down and then no one knows really what will happen.

We should all be out on the streets protesting across the world for our leaders to take radical action.

But I think we have one very simple question to ask ourselves first. Am I willing to change my life for the worse? No car, travel. No shopping. Simple basic food only. No electronics. A poor and simple life of mostly manual work. Think pre-industrial lives.

Unless we're willing to transform our lives we can't change enough in the time we've got left.

and the big demo to stop Brexit worked? And the one to stop the war? And the one against trump? What a waist of time.

I'm an anarchoprimitivist, so unless humans are seriously prepared to return to the stone age, nothing will change the current course. The planet is fucked and the only chance it has is if humans all die out.

Most parasites will kill the host if left untreated. Humans are parasites and the biggest disaster the planet has ever seen due to the sheer amount of needless suffering we cause to other species and each other. There is no future.

Potted,

The planet is not alive so we cannot be parasites. It is a ball of rock orbiting a star. Eventually it will be consumed by its star.

Are humans just another species or are we special? Personally I think we are a bit special.

If humans became extinct, yes the Earth may be one more ‘beautiful’ but I doubt any other species would write poetry extolling the beauty or really care too much.

The Earth is for us. The compromises we make are to keep the Earth nice for us, not for the ball of rock.

As someone who has actually put themselves into a life threatening situation to save their child who was also in a life threatening situation, this is in absolutely no way whatsoever the same thing.

You're being ridiculous OP.

The Earth is for us.

No, it isn't. Humans have only been around for a tiny fraction of the Earth's existence to date, and we only represent a tiny fraction of the life that is present on it now. That we show our appreciation of it through poetry and art is neither here nor there. Other species show their appreciation of it by existing in harmony with it.

Screaming,

Well I guess the Earth is not ‘for’ anything, it is supremely indifferent (not being sentient).

However, from a human perspective, we maximise the resources for our benefit. Those who want a more ‘unspoilt’ earth merely mean that it makes them personally happier.

This is all a bit 'the end is nigh' isn't it.

Your sources (and indeed the climate change deniers sources) seem a bit biased.

I think you would reach more people if you didn't resort to cheap tricks like emotional blackmail and exaggeration.