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"I'd die for my kids"

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 19:47

I think it's a phrase most of us have heard but how many actually mean it?

Obviously many cannot afford to take the cut of a day's pay but many can. Many aren't working but won't attend a demonstration.

How many of you are going to strike on September 20th and if not, what is your reason?

The Amazon is burning, the arctic is burning, many face droughts and famine. We are outraged that Harry and family fly because of the effect on climate change, what are you prepared to do?

For more information globalclimatestrike.net/

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 20:56

Screaming Valenta, you would be surprised how many people are completely unaware of what is unfolding. So many never read the news, never watch TV coverage, so many are completely ignorant of what is happening.

Have you discussed this issue with anyone and asked their opinions? That's not a dig but a straight forward question, we all need to talk openly and discuss the issue of climate change and do it with some urgency, hence my post here.

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Mammyloveswine · 23/08/2019 20:56

Pretty sure I'd be sacked...

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 20:58

lucylouis, I understand what you are saying but the lives of millions of people are going to be taken over the next few decades so whilst anything like this is a personal tragedy it pales into insignificance with the result of us doing nothing. To do nothing would betray millions.

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:00

Mammyloveswine, I appreciate where you are at and that is not a problem. in my original post I did address this question to those who can afford to miss a day's pay and to those who would not be working anyway and could attend an action.

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lucylouis · 23/08/2019 21:00

@Subculture you are unbelievable. People died. Because of protestors blocking a street. that protest achieved absolutely nothing.

SunshineCake · 23/08/2019 21:04

I'm embarrassed for you, OP.

ScreamingValenta · 23/08/2019 21:05

Subculture Yes, indeed (and I didn't take it as a dig). I do express my views on climate change and sustainability when I have opportunities to do so.

The problem I find is that people overestimate the effects of the measures they are taking. Although I understand the 'every little helps' argument, people don't see that buying a re-usable coffee cup won't offset a long-haul holiday.

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:06

I'm not sure that anyone died, there was a report that someone missed the death of a relative and that is not something that anyone wants. But I don't know that person so then it comes down to numbers.

Would I take the death of one person I don't know to prevent the deaths of thousands or millions of people I don't know?

As unpleasant as it seems the rational decision is the one I think most of us would take that so the mock outrage doesn't really fit with me.

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ginghambox · 23/08/2019 21:09

Would that be the XR funded by Soros by any chance?

BlackNoir · 23/08/2019 21:11

How many of you are going to strike on September 20th and if not, what is your reason?

I work frontline NHS, do you really want me to strike? What will it achieve?

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:11

ScreamingValenta I totally agree, we all need to do what we can but many are not.

We are all going to have a massive lifestyle change forced upon us in the very near future. Why not try and put it off a little longer, even if it is just a year?

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:13

ginghambox rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:18

Blacknoir, in my original post I was suggesting that those who could, should. Should people doing essential work strike? No, I don't think there's anything to gain by that but I'm not going to type every case so let's be sensible.

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Yabbers · 23/08/2019 21:22

The causes and effects of climate change were being largely ignored a year ago.

Apart from the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) in 1992.

And the Kyoto agreement in 2005

And the Paris Agreement in 2015

Apart from those agreements to address, it was largely ignored, you mean?

The protests of XR since then have foced the media to cover the issue, they have forced politicians to think about it but there is so much further to go.

There have been climate change protests as far back as I can recall. I was at a protest about it in 1991. Ironically, what is making people think about again in the last year was Trump pulling out of Paris. And the report by the IPCC in 2018 giving us 12 years to sort it out.

I think if you want to choose to lecture people about climate change, being educated about the history of it would be good.

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:24

OK, people who were raising the issue of climate change were largely being ignored by those people who could do something about it. Is that better?

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KennDodd · 23/08/2019 21:25

Missing point of thread but to answer your question, I don't know.

Like the other posters I imagine I'd do all kinds of heroic acts to save my kids, and I really do believe this. I remember reading some research ages ago that in life or death situations, with time to think, parents mostly don't sacrifice their own lives to save their kids.

Sorry, as you were.

TeacupDrama · 23/08/2019 21:34

I would say the phrase " I would die for my kid " means in a shoot out I would hide my kid behind me, or let them have the last place on the life boat" not some virtue signalling protest. Protests achieve zilch, nil , nothing near by there has been people at faslane for years greenback common nothing, swampy nothing achieved some noterity maybe any changes no, did marching against Iraq war change anything again no
None of this is climate denial it is just that protests are useless

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Subculture · 23/08/2019 21:36

So in a knee jerk reaction you feel you would do something but given the chance to think about it and make a considered decision you would do nothing?

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ZazieTheCat · 23/08/2019 22:06

Do you have children yourself Subculture?

Robin2323 · 23/08/2019 22:13

@Belgravian
Known this for years. Good post.

Hereitisnow · 23/08/2019 22:22

Interestingly (and, of course, sadly) some of the recent shooters in the US have used the doomsday scenario put forward by the climate change activists and, particularly, the people who wish to limit the number of children born, to justify their massacres.

lucylouis · 23/08/2019 22:28

I'm not sure that anyone died, there was a report that someone missed the death of a relative and that is not something that anyone wants. But I don't know that person so then it comes down to numbers.

I work in the hospital and yes they did die. Your posts make me so angry and you are everything that's wrong with the world. Trying to save the planet at what cost. You should be ashamed of yourself

Solonelywastheballard · 23/08/2019 22:35

Misleading title, my dad literally put his life at risk to save mine. I have scaraficed my life to care for my disabled son.

Taking a day off work to have a march is not really the same thing.

Greatnorthwoods · 23/08/2019 22:37

OP while I agree with you, I truly believe that we are past the point of no return. Protesting won’t help, instead I am training my kids and family in survival skills to enable them to thrive in the post apocalyptic wasteland.