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Fuckity fuckity fuck

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 08:25

DP was on a 16 hour contract last year, got it up to a 20 hours contract, this meant we had a certain amount coming in and I could budget according to that.

He is also worked a shit ton of overtime, after Christmas this came down and eventually went down to his contracted hours of 20, in the company they did something which meant his hours fell down by 10% , to be honest we were struggling on his basic hours so this has meant we are in shit.

DP found a job, which is less hours, more reliable hours (he use to work shifts) but is cash in hand. I did try and argue how fucking shit this was, but you know he knows better. I also explained how having quit his job, this job without some form of a contract or anything else would mean that if it all goes tits up he wouldn't be able to sign on for 6 weeks.

DP in his wisdom ignored me accepted the job and is doing half and half but he has handed his noticed in, last day is Saturday.

Last week, at the cash in hand job he worked 4 days, he was meant to get the money on Wednesday and we have no news about it, I am going to either make him phone today or go down there but already this is shit and exactly what I warned him about.

is there anything we can do? I don't think his employer will have him back but it might be worth considering

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Soola · 26/07/2019 08:27

Tax? National Insurance?

He’s been a fool.

Soola · 26/07/2019 08:29

He should grovel to the ‘proper’ employer and see if they’ll keep him on and tear up his notice.

wowfudge · 26/07/2019 08:30

He needs to go and get his money and ask for his old job back and apply for others. He's being exploited left, right and centre.

Pringlemunchers · 26/07/2019 08:31

Stop trying to play the system , maybe get a full time job !

DameMargaretofChalfont · 26/07/2019 08:39

Sorry but if you defraud the system you have no rights.

Your DP is a fool.
I assume he's happy for every other tax payer to pay their way whilst he sticks 2 fingers up at us.

He's only got what he deserves - I'm actually sorry that you're the one suffering from his dishonesty.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 26/07/2019 08:43

So he was fine paying no tax and NI? Presumably then he has never claimed benefits or intends to use the NHS, schools etc Hmm

Why is he not after full time work? Sixteen hours isn’t enough to support a family although it is the magic number for net gain on WTC etc and to avoid the benefit cap.

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:09

DP has registered as self employed, he will be paying both tax and NI

So you can all get off your fucking high horses

My issues with cash in hand, is he has no contract, no holiday, no illness etc the same as self employed

He was doing full time work, if you read the post, its what he was contracted to, which is important, the business felt is necessary to make everyone down to contracted hours, so those on zero hour contracts are no longer getting any work.

Why is he not after full time work? Sixteen hours isn’t enough to support a family although it is the magic number for net gain on WTC etc and to avoid the benefit cap.

We have never been able to claim WTC, but thanks for your input on my family finances

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DameMargaretofChalfont · 26/07/2019 09:13

DP has registered as self employed, he will be paying both tax and NI

Yeah right - a step up from "Cash in Hand" as mentioned in your OP . Strange how you never mentioned paying his way until we raised issues with it!!!!

SouthernComforts · 26/07/2019 09:18

Self employed and cash in hand are not the same thing and you know that.

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:22

Yeah right - a step up from "Cash in Hand" as mentioned in your OP . Strange how you never mentioned paying his way until we raised issues with it!!!!

I didn't feel the need to mention it as it is the right thing to do. He needs to take out £25 a week from his wages to make sure the tax man is paid in January and July (I think I have the right months) He has done the research on this and I have doubled checked it.

the job is cash in hand "apparently" so far no cash has come his way

So again get off your fucking high horse that we are trying to screw the system some way.

But while you are at it, beat me down some more, because my partner has done something significinatly stupid, that we might not be able to come back on

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:23

Self employed and cash in hand are not the same thing and you know that

Nop didn't know that, but thanks for telling me what I do and don't know.

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YouJustDoYou · 26/07/2019 09:28

is there anything we can do? I don't think his employer will have him back but it might be worth considering

You can but try. Doesn't hurt to ask.

Has he signed any contracts etc? I'm afraid they can do what they want if nothing is official and it's all cash in hand. As long as he's not continuing to give them free labour.

SparklyMagpie · 26/07/2019 09:29

Don't see your arse with posters, they haven't put you in this position, your bloody idiot DP has.

You warned him and it's his fault for not listening

But to answer, no I don't think theres anything you can do really

Todaythiscouldbe · 26/07/2019 09:37

If he is self employed is he registered as a sole trader? Can he choose his own hours and choose not to work or to send somebody else in his place? Does he invoice?
He's put you in an awful position, he needs to grovel to his old employer and maybe look for full time employment.

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:42

He has signed nothing as far as I know

@SparklyMagpie I am getting the arse because they seem to think we are doing something illegal, whereas we are not.

Yes DP has put us in this position and needs to sort it out in the next (lets be generous) 48 hours, my next problem is going to be if he just puts his head in the sand.

My position is at the moment, he has quit his job no ifs and buts about that, jobcenter will not allow him to sign on for 6 weeks (I think) meaning he has 48 hours to either find a job or get his old role back.

TBH I am beyond fuming with hm, 16 hours wages was better than no hours

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 26/07/2019 09:44

Your ire with pp is misplaced OP.
You asked for advice and got it on the basis of the info you provided.

You have a husband problem, not a pp problem.

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floribunda18 · 26/07/2019 09:47

Has he invoiced the company for his work? If they fail to pay on time he can take them to small claims.

QforCucumber · 26/07/2019 09:48

He is not self employed if he's not invoicing them, if he's working for the same people doing the same hours week in week out. That's false self employment and HMRC don't look kindly on it.

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:50

If he is self employed is he registered as a sole trader? Can he choose his own hours and choose not to work or to send somebody else in his place? Does he invoice?
He's put you in an awful position, he needs to grovel to his old employer and maybe look for full time employment.

he is registered as a sole trader, but no he cant choose his own hours and wont invoice, which is why it seemed so dodgy to me orignally.

He loved his job, but they are cutting staff down left, right and centre, I cant be sure but I would think if they accept him back it might be on a zero hour contract.

As I say I am so fucking pissed off at him., but its been done and while we will have words about it (and have had words), there is little I can do, other than try and do a plea letter.

I will say in defense of DP I get why he has done it, if it had worked the hours and pay would of been ideal, but he really has not looked at the bigger picture

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Knitwit99 · 26/07/2019 09:50

Bet you're sorry you posted op. Your DH has been stupid. I guess he thought he was doing a good thing but it backfired. I would be raging with him too. No great advice, sorry.

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:52

@QforCucumber
He is not self employed if he's not invoicing them, if he's working for the same people doing the same hours week in week out. That's false self employment and HMRC don't look kindly on it.

Can you explain that a bit more if you don't mind?

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Sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2019 09:53

Another benefit scrounging tax avoiding family justifying why they are entitled to have other tax payers subsidise their layabout ways. You make me sick.

Oh fuck off am I, keep making up that story in your head

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floribunda18 · 26/07/2019 09:55

if he's working for the same people doing the same hours week in week out

Same hours week in week out is not the test. My cleaner does the same hours each week for me, I'm not her employer.