Do non NHS people realise how bad it is at the moment?

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I had to justify to my managers manager why I needed to spend £7 on stationery. Stationery. Some biros, some staples and a box of envelopes.

One of my colleagues chairs broke and she was told to apply to charitable funds to get a new one.

Everything is held together with sticky tape and blu tac (literally and figuratively)

We have four members of admin staff bunched into a desk meant for two, because there is no money to pay IT to put a new port in on their desks.

Waste toner cartridges are on lockdown. If yours is full you should take a scalpel, cut the seal open, empty it and then stick it back together and put it back in the printer. Don't worry about all your printing then being covered in smudgy ink. We're broke ya know.

And some fucking idiot turned up to A&E today...because their arm has been hurting for two months and they are off on holiday tomorrow and could we sort it please.

I'm thinking of starting an anonymous instagram account to get all this crap out.

GP surgeries, dentists opticians and pharmacies aren't part of the NHS though and they certainly aren't running the NHS

GPs are involved via their membership of clinical commissioning groups.

They're all private businesses offering NHS services and financed mostly by the NHS. Not sure what the difference is between that and a Nuffield doing NHS operations?

I absolutely would take my child or myself to a&e if I suspected a serious injury or condition. I would much rather do that than rely on hope as I am not trained to diagnose conditions. I particularly feel bad for people who battle MH conditions as they can't be seen but can be just as life threatening. Empathy doesn't require you to be a saint OP, just a decent human being.

An email that states your name and appointment time and location is in no way breaking GDPR.

In our Trust they've been offering the 'opt in' for years yet clearly there's no staff to do anything about it.

I have worked in NHS and private sector and I agree with you OP . For example private sector consultancy employer had fancy ladies toilets marble floors , fancy soap and hand cream . The most recent NHS employer I last worked in 12 months ago had a note on the walls asking staff to flush the toilet with a bucket and instructing them to take said bucket to the kitchen in the staff room and fill it up there 😱

They're all private businesses offering NHS services and financed mostly by the NHS. Not sure what the difference is between that and a Nuffield doing NHS operations?

To me the difference is that they are healthcare professionals and the great majority will have the patients interests at heart because that is why they are doing the job in the first place. When private for profit organisations are running operations the main aim will be to make a profit. They aren't seeing or caring about patients on a day to day basis as GPs are.

I think that Nuffield are not for profit by the way so I am not counting them when that the main aim is to make a profit.

Hunt has lied in court to try get rid of a junior dr whistleblower @drcmday trying to protect the public from harm. Boris well he wants the UK as an offshore tax haven for the rich like Singapore,that is the real agenda of the Tory Brexiteers. We have the NHS we have voted for: broke, broken and corrupt (in respect of dealing with valid patient complaints). Everybody wants low taxes you can’t have those and a functioning healthcare system free at the point of use, it just isn’t possible. It would do everyone good to realise just how much their healthcare does cost. A bed for one night no nurse, no doctor not even a Bandaid is over £800. Meanwhile the NHS Lawyers ie NHS Resolution (ironic name) have committed the criminal offence of sending me threats in writing. This is the healthy future we are leaving our kids. I don’t think a few less A&E visitors will sort it somehow. My CCG won’t let me have a GP as a punishment for standing up for the truth and what is right, but I would never go to A&E as,those with chronic pain always get abused by the staff and are left untreated (5 times now in 4 hospitals). We are not drug seekers we have the most painful condition known to man and it’s neurological, it’s common and there’s an outbreak of it, I’m too scared to go back to the ER so that’s zero state healthcare for me.

There are plenty of us on Twitter “getting this crap out” and publishing the evidence. If wrongdoing, You are welcome to join in.

*Yes, whereas GP’s selflessly donate their services —3 days a week if you’re lucky— for free.

I'm not saying that they donate their services for free but if their main aim was making money rather than helping patients there are plenty more profitable careers with far less hassle.

Yes, whereas GP’s selflessly donate their services —3 days a week if you’re lucky— for free.

I'm not saying that they donate their services for free but if their main aim was making money rather than helping patients there are plenty more profitable careers with far less hassle.

The OP needs to urgently find another job. The anger, the sneering at people is disturbing. Ultimately everyone has the right to choose how they approach the NHS, not up to an angry housewife to decide.

there are plenty more profitable careers

No, there really aren't. General accountants, solicitors, architects, lawyers, surveyors, etc in typical towns all over the country aren't earning the same kinds of money and don't enjoy the same pensions as GPs in their locality. Look in the job adverts - there are adverts for experienced qualified accountant managers for £40-£50k - barely even higher rate tax.

You can't compare the top professionals in top city firms - there are so few of those jobs. Compare like for like in the majority of the country.

No, there really aren't. General accountants, solicitors, architects, lawyers, surveyors, etc in typical towns all over the country aren't earning the same kinds of money and don't enjoy the same pensions as GPs in their locality. Look in the job adverts - there are adverts for experienced qualified accountant managers for £40-£50k - barely even higher rate tax.

I don't need to look in the job adverts. I live in an afluent area and a large proportion of people work in the financial sector including some of my friends. They are earning a lot more then £40K a year.

There should be Visa card terminals in A&E like USA for those who should not be using it.
A&E treatment is free for everyone even overseas visitors. Who would you be charging here?

I absolutely would take my child or myself to a&e if I suspected a serious injury or condition.
And you are right to do so. Lumping all the blame on the patients for the financial crisis the NHS finds itself in is a smoke screen.

Emergency treatment is NOT free. I am British but non resident and pay upfront if I or my family need treatment. The hardest part is getting the trust to bill me, usually advising me to lie and use a 20 year old UK address to save the hassle. A standard charge is an upfront cash payment of 1500 pounds which is then consolidated and invoiced upon discharged.

Kazzy is right. So many GP’s claim they can only work 3 days a week because they’re knackered. The rest of us are knackered too, but we can’t live on 3/5 of our salary!

Do you know any personally?

Emergent treatment is free. I work in hospital finance I know what is chargeable.
From NHS charging guidelines
*If you are not entitled to receive free NHS hospital treatment you will not be refused medical treatment that stabilises a life-threatening condition, for example, for renal failure. Treatment will be given to deal with the emergency, but you will be expected to return home for it to be completed, once the emergency is over.

If there is not an emergency, but treatment has to start immediately, you may be asked to give an undertaking to pay. In these circumstances, it is very important that you find out the likely cost.*

If you have to pay for treatment it’s because it isnt an emegency

In practice we don’t usually charge unless you need an admission or follow up outpatient appointment.

Sorry I have not RTFH but wanted to add that of all the public sector areas that have been cut in the last few years, FE education has had it the absolute hardest. 45 percent cuts.

1. I am paid £17,000 pa but work 60 per week. YES, no lie or exaggeration 60 hours pw. I have full teaching quals plus MA and (soon PhD)
2. We pay for ALL our own stationery and have no desks.
3. Our holidays look good on paper (9 weeks pa) but we very rarely get to use it. In the last year I have only used 4 weeks per year. All the other weeks I have worked because we have NO admin staff anymore and no teachers employed to fill redundancies

I see the old boob job and facelift chestnut has raised its head again. Facelifts have never been funded by the NHS. The odd breast reduction might still be if massive breasts are causing damage to the back but they must be like rocking horse shit these days.