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Questions for American and other international/non uk mners

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Graphista · 26/06/2019 23:04

I love learning about other cultures and lifestyles. Lived in Europe myself for a while but a long time ago now. Never been outside Europe though.

Pure curiosity prompted by watching tv shows and films made outside uk.

What's the difference between a condo and an apartment?

Do you have semi detached houses in America? Terraced? I ask because I think they must be called something else there.

What's the equivalent of our going to Spain & similar on package holidays where you are? What type of holidays do ordinary families have?

What about things considered traditionally British? Do other countries do Sunday dinner? On Sunday's or different days?

As someone who was a mature student twice I've also noticed that this isn't something that's portrayed on American tv, or even particularly on Australian or New Zealand output so is that because it's not a "thing" outside the uk or just a weird skewing due to scriptwriters?

What about gap years? Again American shows seem to have youngsters going straight to uni from high school if they're going to go.

Also there's a lot of talk of saving for kids to go to uni but I'm guessing there's support for students from poorer backgrounds? How does that work?

What are bank holidays like where you live? What do people do for them? Are they called public holidays or something else?

Drink driving seems to be very socially acceptable in the states, is that accurate?

Is "soccer mom" slang for sahm?

I got the impression going to summer camp was a thing a lot of American kids did, but then a friend said she'd been a camp counsellor years ago (not American) and that they're quite expensive so it's better off families that do this?

What's childcare like where you are? Again seems to be that in America and also Canada that pretty much anyone can set up a daycare business or be a Daytime "babysitter" (what we'd call a childminder)? Is it not well regulated?

Do American families really tend toward having cooked breakfasts of some description? There seems to be a lot of making pancakes, waffles, eggs & bacon in tv shows (makes me hungry!)

For other mners living in various countries what is the usual breakfast where you are?

When I lived in Europe when I was in hospital the meals were of course based on the norm for where I was living, but for me as a Brit it still felt odd having breads/crackers, cheeses, relishes and pastries for breakfast (I'm veggie, for non veggies there was also deli meats, sausage). I'm fascinated when I read articles on breakfasts around the world and see things like pickled fish, rice dishes even stews!

But then as a Scot I'm reminded of that "highlander" movie script section (a bizarrely cast film where a Frenchman is playing a Scot and a Scot an Egyptian with a Spanish name and a broad Edinburgh accent!) where Connor describes haggis to Juan and Juan is disgusted at the sound of it! So yea I appreciate a glasgow fry which can of course include fried slice of haggis, along with Lorne sausage, tattie scones, black pudding, white pudding, bacon, fried eggs, fried bread, mushrooms, tomatoes and baked beans.

Baked beans - that's another thing. It was one of the few things I bought at the naafi because British baked beans don't taste like baked beans from anywhere else. I Also bought marmite, white sliced (I liked European bread but sometimes our doughy white bread toasted and buttered was needed for the perfect beans on toast or fried egg sandwich)

So...tell me about real life in the rest of the world? I'm sure other mners will also have questions.

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twosoups1972 · 27/06/2019 11:21

Great thread!

A question about Thanksgiving - I know it's November but does the date vary like Easter? Is it always a Thursday? If so, do people also take the Friday off to make a weekend of it? Or is it just considered as a 1 day holiday?

edgeofheaven · 27/06/2019 11:23

Thanksgiving in the US is always the last Thursday before the last Friday of November.

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 27/06/2019 11:24

Fun to read, I am only German so not much to tell.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Damntheman · 27/06/2019 11:27

Ooh I can answer for Norway for giggles.

Norwegian terraced houses is called rekkehus – row house. It’s also common to have detached houses but split either horizontally or vertically to make two houses inside.

Norwegians either go to Sweden/Denmark, or to ‘Syden’ which is a catch all term for somewhere warm further south.

Norwegians do not do Sunday dinner! But they do traditionally do taco Fridays and risgrøt on a Saturday (I think.. I’ve pushed DH over to Sunday because I’m a brit and it feels right and proper).

Mature students are a thing here! But gap years are not really. If someone takes a year or two out between school and uni it’s because they’re doing their military service/civil service duties.

Norwegian university is free! Which is nice.

We have what are called ‘red days’ instead of bank holidays. Most of them fall in the spring time, May in particular and around the Easter celebrations. They come on the same set dates every year (the easter ones move depend on easter itself) so if they fall on a weekend you don’t get them.. which is lame.

Drink driving is zero tolerance in Norway. You can’t even have one drink if you’re going to drive in the next few hours. If you’re caught with alcohol in your system while driving you face a really big fine, points on your license and/or depending on severity immediate loss of license for a certain period of time and potentially a court summons.

Cooked breakfasts can happen at the weekend, depends on the family. My MIL likes to make oat based waffles (not Belgian style) for breakfast which is lush. Normal breakfast for me is cereal or overnight oats. On Special Occasions (like May 17th Norway day) breakfast is more like brunch and involves salmon, scrambled eggs and a violent amount of booze in your orange juice.

Baked beans here are pretty okay! You can get the Heinz ones for great expense but the generic are near enough for me. Can’t get marmite though  So I have to bring that back myself.

SenecaFalls · 27/06/2019 11:28

In my workplace, we get the Friday after Thanksgiving off as well.

twosoups1972 · 27/06/2019 11:32

Thank you, do children celebrate Thanksgiving in school before the actual day?

soulrunner · 27/06/2019 11:42

British but live in Hong Kong- I'll answer the relevant ones as best I can albeit this is an expat view rather than a local one. I paraphrased a few of the questions.

What's the equivalent of our going to Spain & similar on package holidays where you are? What type of holidays do ordinary families have?

Hot: Bali, Koh Samui and Phuket, Bintan, Boracay
Culture/City: Beijing/Shanghai, Ho Chi Minh, Siem Reap, Singapore, Tokyo and Osaka
Country: Guilin, other mountainous bits of China, Chiang Mai
Minibreak: Macau
Skiing: Japan (or Canada if you're rich or expat- a lot of HK'ers have Canadian passports). Japan skiing is unbelievably good btw. Powder like you've never seen.

However, tbh, "ordinary" people wouldn't necessarily go on holiday to the same extent that a UK person from the same income bracket would.

What about things considered traditionally British? Do other countries do Sunday dinner? On Sunday's or different days?

Sunday is the main "weekend" day (a lot of people still work a 6 day week). There isn't really a Sunday dinner but HK'ers might go for dim sum (yum cha) on Sunday lunchtime with family. Also, "brunch" (an all inclusive buffet) is a thing amongst more westernised/ affluent HK'ers.

What about gap years? Again American shows seem to have youngsters going straight to uni from high school if they're going to go

Depends on income bracket- lower income students tend to go straight to Uni. Wealthier ones might do a gap year. University is very affordable in HK, especially as it's tiny so students can just live at home. No-one doesn't go to Uni because they can't afford the fees.

What are bank holidays like where you live? What do people do for them? Are they called public holidays or something else?

Called public holidays and there are LOADS of them because we get the British ones (Christmas and Boxing Day, good Friday, easter Monday) plus the China specific ones (3 days of Chinese new year, Buddha's birthday, national day, HK SAR day, mid autumn festival etc) and international ones like Labour day). They just fall when they fall so often are midweek. There are ones everyone gets off and others which the employer may give.

Is "soccer mom" slang for sahm?

Dunno- we don't have soccer mums, only Tiger mums and they come in both SAHM and WOHM varieties Grin

What's childcare like where you are?

Anyone who can afford it has a "helper" usually from the Philippines or Indonesia, who lives in and provides housekeeping and eldercare/childcare. There is this myth that they are the preserve of expats but that's actually untrue- most employers are Hong Kong locals. The main other option is grandparents but this is breaking down. There is very little daycare/nursery provision other than for very very low income families.

Do HK families tend toward having cooked breakfasts of some description?

Congee (a type of savoury porridge/ risotto) is the traditional breakfast or noodles with broth and veg/meat but a lot of younger HK'ers now just eat a more western breakfast. When I see the diet of some of my younger colleagues I despair - so much cheap white bread (old gimmer emoji)

SenecaFalls · 27/06/2019 11:42

So all apartments are rented?

Yes. If someone refers to their apartment, you can assume that they rent. If they say "my condo" they probably own it, but lots of condos are rented, just as houses are, so they could be renting. Where I live (Deep South), there are lots of fairly large apartment complexes that cater to young professionals. They have amenities like swimming pools, gyms, even conference rooms, etc. for people who work from home. They are especially popular with people who are new to the area and want to get the lay of the land before they step on the property ladder.

Lots of schools do have Thanksgiving themed activities before they let out for the holiday.

Damntheman · 27/06/2019 11:57

Oh I missed the childcare question! The vast majority of Norwegian children get a place in 'barnehage' which translates to kindergarten but is more like the UK nurseries from the age of 1 year (give or take, my daughter got her place from 10 months, my son 13 months). They go there full time with potential to be dropped off from 7.15 and pick up has to happen before 16.30 mon-fri. This is mostly subsidised by the state, although parents do pay a small fee monthly, with reduced costs for the second sibling. Currently the cost is about 3000 NOK (so 277ish GBP) per month. Parents on low income can apply for rebates.

You also get private barnehager, and what's called dagmamma (day mums) which are like childminders. They're pretty regulated though and usually only used until the child is eligable for their regular place in barnehage. If parents want to stay home with their kids you can have a benefit payout to do that from the government but it isn't that much money and I think only up until the age of three. They start school at 6 and have SFO before and after which is a bit like the breakfast clubs. Again, subsidised.

SenecaFalls · 27/06/2019 12:17

The exception is Thanksgiving, which feels very much like a British Sunday dinner on crack.

Having lived in the UK, I can say that this is a very good description of Thanksgiving dinner. Also it's always called dinner, not lunch, even if it is in the middle of the day. We usually have ours in the early afternoon.

And further to the question about schools, lots of schools will have a Thanksgiving themed meals in the cafeteria before the holiday.

Thanksgiving requires a turkey; in fact, the holiday's nickname is Turkey Day. Americans who observe Christmas usually have something other than turkey on Christmas Day. We always have ham, which is traditional in the South.

CitadelsofScience · 27/06/2019 12:44

This is fascinating. I love reading about other cultures and customs.

Keep posting people so I can keep reading Grin

Nancydrawn · 27/06/2019 13:26

Christmas meals differ widely between regions. Some people will do beef, others ham, others something entirely different. It's a Jewish tradition to get Chinese food and go to a movie on Christmas (especially in areas around NYC). Some people have a big Christmas dinner; others go crazy with breakfast foods after opening presents and then lie around in a carb daze.

The run-up to Thanksgiving in schools is very Thanksgiving-y. Usually the week or so in advance will have lessons about Thanksgiving and its history, construction paper cutouts of turkeys with multicolored feathers, etc. Interestingly, Thanksgiving is one of America's least-consumerist holidays. Black Friday, however, is the worst, and people who go mad for Black Friday are tiresome.

The run-up to Christmas is big but nowhere near as big as in England. There are a couple big reasons I can think of:

  1. Thanksgiving kind of breaks up the holiday season. A lot of people I know are quite strict about no Christmas lights until after Thanksgiving, which means it's very late in November before Christmas goes up in earnest. Some people start earlier, but the Thanksgiving decor is very autumnal and Christmas decor very winter, so there's a difference preserved.

  2. America (with the exception of Alaska) is much, much further south than the UK. NYC is on line with Madrid. This means America gets more sun in December. In DC, for example, December sunrise is around 7.15 and sunset around 4.45; in London it's about 8.00 and 3.45. If you get further south/north, the difference is even clearer. So, Texas has December sunrises at 7.15 and sunsets at 5:30, while Edinburgh is 8.30/3.30. And, I'm not sure how to describe this exactly, but the sun isn't as murky when it's up as it is in the UK. It's dark, but it's not crazy dark like the UK, and the need for lights isn't as pervasive.

This is fun! More questions?

SenecaFalls · 27/06/2019 13:47

Interestingly, Thanksgiving is one of America's least-consumerist holidays.

So true. It's one of the reasons that it is my favorite holiday. It's about food, family, and friends. No present buying involved. And the planning is fairly simple and straight-forward, even if we are traveling for the holiday.

I never do Black Friday except maybe online. We are almost always with family we don't see that often, either who have traveled to us or we have traveled to see them, and I don't want to spend any of that time dealing with frenzied shoppers. I am usually in the coastal Georgia area where I grew up for Thanksgiving. It's often quite warm. Sometimes we go to the beach on Black Friday.

Graphista · 27/06/2019 13:51

Loving reading all the replies learning so much.

"There is, though, far more casual use of cars" that's reminded me of another thing, on tv shows & films characters let pretty much anyone drive their cars! How does insurance there work if this is the case? It's not something we really do in uk.

So in addition to being owned is a condo more like a maisonette?

"Never even heard of BB on toast until started trying British recipes. Can't bring myself to try them." You really should. Baked bean soaked toast is lush!

"the same size and population as the UK (or is it Great Britain?)." Great Britain is the island containing Scotland, England and Wales. U.K. Also includes Northern Ireland. "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" sums this up.

@InTropicalTrumpsLand thanks for such a full and interesting response. A shame that uni there seems to be so elitist. Uni here does require academic ability but because school education is free and I suppose relatively good quality children from poorer backgrounds are not disadvantaged to the same degree as in Brazil, though private schooling here is better than state schools generally and for the better universities they are criticised for being elitist and it being harder for applicants from "ordinary" backgrounds to get into them.

On the mature student thing, a few have said normal where they are for post grad but seemingly not undergrad? The 2 times I was full time student were undergrad, once part time post grad all as a mature student.

"Fun to read, I am only German so not much to tell." Oh I disagree! I lived in Germany it was very different to uk in many ways. I loved it there. I'd love to hear more from you.

The Japan skiing thing has really surprised me I think of Japan as a hot place. Though I realise that was stupid because there's "hot" places in Europe famed for skiing too of course.

@soulrunner what's a tiger mum?!

"Thanksgiving requires a turkey; in fact, the holiday's nickname is Turkey Day. Americans who observe Christmas usually have something other than turkey on Christmas Day. We always have ham, which is traditional in the South." Yes I think Brits forget/don't know that turkey for Christmas dinner here is a relatively new development. Ham was a tradition for longer. I'm veggie so eat neither but turkey for both would be boring/disappointing I should think.

@nancydrawn I hadn't realised nyc was so far south!

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Damntheman · 27/06/2019 14:35

The car thing is great in Norway! Here they insure the car not the driver, so I could let anyone with a license drive my car without having to pay out the arse for new insurance for them.

Expressedways · 27/06/2019 15:38

My condo isn’t a maisonette, it’s the raised ground floor of what was a house when it was built in 1890, very similar to your standard U.K. Victorian flat conversion. We have a home owner’s association to manage maintenance and repairs.

The car insurance thing is a bit more complicated- you primarily insure the vehicle and this means anyone can drive it with your permission and a valid license but at least with our policy, you do have to name all the drivers that live in the household.

DD came home from daycare for thanksgiving break with a load of turkey inspired crafts last year- they theme the ‘lessons’ around it!

Chicago is roughly on the same line as the south of France. This is an especially sore spot in winter when our relatives that live there are eating lunch outdoors whilst we’re trying not to to get frostbite on the morning commute!!

Akanishta · 27/06/2019 15:56

From Wikipedia:

Tiger parenting (虎妈, "tiger mother" or "tiger mom") is strict or demanding parenting. Tiger parents push and pressure their children to attaining high levels of academic achievement or success in high-status extracurricular activities such as music, using authoritarian parenting methods. The term was coined by Yale Law School professor Amy Chua in her 2011 memoir Battle Hymn of the Tiger Motherr^. A largely Chinese-American concept, the term draws parallels to strict parenting styles typically enforced throughout households in East Asia, South Asia and Southeast Asia.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_parenting

As someone from Southeast Asia now living in the UK, I found Amy Chu's book funny and relatable. Western parents may be somewhat horrified with the things she did. It's not a how-to-parent book, more like an explanation / confession. My aunt married an American and brought up her two daughters in the US in pretty much the same way.

IHaveBrilloHair · 27/06/2019 16:46

I lived in Australia for 2 years, albeit 20 years ago and I know things have changed, I also spent a lot of time in small country towns in the middle of nowhere so no city experience.
Kuta, Bali was definitely the cheap holiday of choice for people wa ting a Magaluf type experience, though Bali has some lovely, off the beaten track type areas.

Breakfast was the same as here, toast, cereal etc, though brunch on Sundays was creeping in, in the bigger towns.

I was there for Christmas twice and it was a mix of turkey, seafood and lots of lovely big salads and fruit.

Where I lived drink driving was totally accepted, though not legal and the police pretty much turned a blind eye.

Im not sure about anything relating to kids as I was young and child free.

Not sure about the housing as such, I stayed in Backpackers or shared houses but they did have they weird houses that were brought along on the back of a truckConfused
Like a mobile home I guess but an actual house.

This is daft bit still confuses me, Home And Away is set in Sydney, they pretend it's hot all year round and Australians watch it!

IHaveBrilloHair · 27/06/2019 16:48

I love this thread btw, I find it fascinating to read about life in other countries.

LoeweHammockBuyItDoIt · 27/06/2019 16:59

Never knew a condo was owned and an apt rented!

Andylion · 27/06/2019 17:01

A question about Thanksgiving - I know it's November but does the date vary like Easter? Is it always a Thursday?

In Canada, it's the second Monday ion October.

chemenger · 27/06/2019 17:06

I didn't know about the apartment/condo think until we moved to the US and asked the rental agent in one of the apartment blocks we looked at.

dreichuplands · 27/06/2019 17:18

I actually think drive driving is normal in the Midwest city I live in, particularly for people who work in the city and live in the burbs.
It seems standard to have 3 or 4 drinks and then drive home. There are no breathalyzers to check alcohol levels. Most of the supermarkets in town have bars in them. I think it contributes quite a bit to the dreadful standard of driving.

dreichuplands · 27/06/2019 17:18

drink driving

Andylion · 27/06/2019 17:36

Also, in Canada, it's drunk driving. And driver's license. (As opposed to driving license, which I see on MN.)

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