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If you are a Tory part member and would vote for Boris, does the fact he lies just not bother you?

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HellInAHandCartThatsWhat · 24/06/2019 08:10

On Marr show yesterday...Liam Fox on Boris Johnson’s ‘GATT 24’ #Brexit claims: “It isn’t true, that’s the problem”

The trade secretary tells #Marr that the argument from Boris Johnson, that we can use world trade rules to avoid tariffs after Brexit, “isn’t true”

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TonTonMacoute · 24/06/2019 09:01

Don't all politicians lie? Blair certainly did. Cameron? May? I agree, it would be good to have a PM that didn't though.

scaryteacher · 24/06/2019 09:08

Blair lied, Brown lied, Cameron lied, Clegg lied. Major lied and had an affair with Edwina Curry. They are politicians, being 'economical with the actualité' is what they do isn't it?

The one I would prefer to be Tory leader didn't throw his hat into the ring, so as long as Boris delivers Brexit by the end of October, then so be it.

BeckyWithTheSplitEnds · 24/06/2019 09:12

Fucking politicians. Check out this wanger pretending there weren't any seats left on that train. Lucky he'll be able to claim his dry-cleaning bill back out of expenses... when obviously had he sat on one of the many free seats then he'd have not had to sit on a filthy floor.

The things they say to try and score points - unbelievable

If you are a Tory part member and would vote for Boris, does the fact he lies just not bother you?

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NasiGoreng · 24/06/2019 09:13

I'm not a Tory party member and not even sure if I'd vote for them now (have done in past) however, I don't have a problem with BJ and his antics. In fact our country has been run by boring politicians with no personality for years. People who lack passion shouldn't be running companies and certainly not countries. We are all sick of these dull as dishwater lot and if BJ brings a bit of controversy and liveliness to the game of politics then great. It may be a refreshing change from the barley there pulse politicians we have been bored to death with over the years.

NasiGoreng · 24/06/2019 09:14

barely there, not barley or other grain.

MustardScreams · 24/06/2019 09:16

I think him being a massive racist prick is much more disturbing than his lies.

Soola · 24/06/2019 09:18

@NasiGoreng

Hear, hear!

Boris is very likeable as a person/personality and I just hope that he goes from strength to strength with his political career. I don’t agree on everything with him but he’s the front runner for me.

MustardScreams · 24/06/2019 09:19

@Soola you thinks racist is very likeable? Christ

TildaKauskumholm · 24/06/2019 09:20

What's the difference? They're all liars no matter what party.

NoBaggyPants · 24/06/2019 09:24

@BeckyWithTheSplitEnds

The Corbyn train story was proven not to be untrue.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

Reallybadidea · 24/06/2019 09:29

Boris is very likeable as a person/personality

According to someone who used to work with Boris "everybody likes him until they meet him".

Seriously, have you read anything about his personality by people who actually know him and have worked with him? He doesn't sound likeable at all! It's all an act and you've fallen for it.

NasiGoreng · 24/06/2019 09:36

The biggest hypocrites are those virtue signallers who profess to be working for the good of the people or the environment. Out of all the politicians today the one I despise the most is Caroline Lucas after she threw women under a bus.

I'd rather take my chances with BoJo TBH and be entertained along the way. Brexit has to happen now or we will be in this deadlock forever. If JH gets in, we may as well have kept TM. He's just another version of her, only more dull. If anyone has any colouring pencils can they please send them over to his office for him to be coloured in.

timetobackout · 24/06/2019 09:46

Boris didn't really lie though.Article XXIV of GATT allows for the suspension of tariffs in an interim period if both sides agree to enter into trade negotiations.This is obviously mutually beneficial, however for political reasons,I would have thought the EU will not agree to it.

Straysocks · 24/06/2019 09:47

Even though the entertainment gives the green light to the kinds of attitude we've been prevailing against for decades? Open season for racists, xenophobes, sexists and everyone that has financial struggles? We'll swallow this because he's a character? Do you feel that way about Trump too? Seriously, this feels like a reasonable pay off to you?

darkriver19886 · 24/06/2019 09:48

cough £350 million a week cough

I wouldn't trust him with my cat.

NasiGoreng · 24/06/2019 09:54

Stray, they are all as bad as each other. Why would I vote in Corbyn given the anti-semitism in his party?

Most of us now are all going down the list looking for someone to vote for because NONE of them are any good. I actually think Boris will calm down and get his act together once in no.10. I'm not interested in how many arguments he has with his GF over a split glass of red.

As for Trump. What a nasty man. He's vile. On the plus though the poorest in the US have had their average salaries increased by 4%, the middle classes by 3%, employment is up and he prefers to talk to rogue nations rather than drop bombs on them. He's not a very nice man, but he is a practical man.

TeacupDrama · 24/06/2019 09:54

They all lie, he is an obvious liar some of the others are sneakier liars, Boris has made some racist comments Corbyn allows anti Semitism neither of their personal morals stand any scrutiny, they have both had affairs it is like choosing between a rock and a hard place

Justanotherlurker · 24/06/2019 09:55

Everyone politician lies, its the nature of the job unfortunately.

And playing the guilt by association card is a dangerous slope to start the argument on considering StormFront et al all publicly backed Corbyn during the last GE

HollowTalk · 24/06/2019 09:57

Did the thread about people who knew Boris Johnson get pulled?

Straysocks · 24/06/2019 10:32

Nasi, don't worry I'm not asking you to vote for anyone. I'd never have cause to write anything about Boris unless he was steps away from no.10. My point is that he has said some really ignorant, racist, xenophobic things and was a liability as foreign secretary. It appears to me that he lacks compassion, understanding and empathy for people who are not exactly of his ilk. We've worked over decades for our society to become a more just, fair, progressive place and, like Trump, his leadership will give the green light to attitudes and behaviours in society will harm, damage and divide. And this is a fair play-off as at least it will be entertaining? That I can't accept. Employment may be rising in the US, the trains ran on time under Mussolini, but how is the society? How is the community? Do we want more hostility and less civility? I do agree that there is no perfect candidate, perhaps no perfect representative and maybe there can't be but I disagree that they are all the same/as bad as each other, this is extreme and extremely close.

scaryteacher · 24/06/2019 10:48

What to you Straysocks may be 'just, fair and progressive' might seem to others to 'harm, damage and divide'. I think your 'just, fair and progressive' societies have lead directly to Brexit and Trump, and those that led us there can't seem to grasp that not everyone wants to be 'progressive', and that their idea of 'just and fair' doesn't chime with that of a good proportion of the electorate.

Straysocks · 24/06/2019 10:54

Scaryteacher, I get the tone but not the argument, would you care to expand? I've never been blamed for Brexit or Trump before. What sort of things would chime with a good proportion of the electorate.

RolandOnTheRopes · 24/06/2019 10:56

The biggest hypocrites are those virtue signallers who profess to be working for the good of the people or the environment.
Boris has done this too though. He said he'd lie down in front of bulldozers to stop a third runway at Heathrow (or something similar), was conveniently out of the country when there was a vote in parliament on it, and has since been challenged about his stance if he becomes PM and now says he can't do anything.
They are all just as bad as each other.

scaryteacher · 24/06/2019 11:33

The reason Trump and Brexit succeeded was because there is a massive gap between the governed and the governing. A US friend was an 'anyone but Hillary' voter, as he said that it seemed to him to be a mixture of buggins turn and the continuation of dynastic politics that had been started by the Bushes and looked set to be continued by the Clintons.Trump is at least an outsider, not from within the political bubble in DC.

The same applies in the UK. There are several bubbles - the Islington one; the Westminster one; the inside the M25 one; the Notting Hill one; the BBC one...and none of them seem to have any connection whatsoever with the realities of life for many people. I think many people got sick of being sneered at for not having metropolitan values; and that the capital of their nation seemed like a nation unto itself. No one was listening, and to a certain extent, many politicians/media commentators etc still aren't listening. Debate is closed down frequently; you can't challenge things any more without being called a TERF, or racist and xenophobic, or far right. Again, the threads on here about 'there be dragons' outside London are an example.

You see it on here a lot - so it gets to the point that people won't engage publicly, but will make their views known at the ballot box. When that engagement is shut down by the commentariat, you get a groundswell of quiet opinion that will make itself known eventually, but in ways that can be destructive and costly (Gilets Jaunes anyone?).

It's not just in the US and UK; it's France, Italy, Belgium (massive bubble inside parts of the Ring).

There used to be some measure of trust in politicians, but there is none now. There are some good MPs (mine amongst them), but for the most part they have their bums on their nice padded seats, with their salaries and allowances, and the unedifying spectacle of them trying to work out how to keep their sinecure going without pissing off the electorate, whilst failing to deliver what the electorate voted for, shows what a complete shit shower the current crop are.

I think therefore that Brexit and Trump were a cry for a different type of politics that puts the wishes of the electorate front and centre, that takes note of their concerns with the rapidly changing pace of society, and for people that will tell them the truth, as opposed to spin; and treat them like they have brains.

The above is a bit muddled, but I am trying to do several things at once this morning, and this was my 5 minute sit down in between doing my blue arsed fly impression!

Straysocks · 24/06/2019 11:46

Thanks for the thoughts, scaryteacher, I'm also dashing but will mull over what you've said and perhaps it can widen the debate.