Please or to access all these features

Add post

Watch this thread

Save thread

Start a new thread

Flip thread

Hide thread

My feed

Active Unanswered threads

Getting started FAQ's

Unanswered threads Acronyms Talk guidelines

Hide shortcut buttons

Talk

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Flip

1 2 3 4 5 6

Original poster

#banthebooths - do you agree?

130 replies

AheartybowlofJan · 18/06/2019 18:16

I came across this hashtag on twitter today and after reading around it think they may well have a good point. Especially when it comes to no regulation over how long children can stay in these booths over consecutive days. And the fact that SN and BAME children are disproportionately represented in the figures when they are collected.

Our trust has a “unit” where DC are excluded to with children from other schools in the same trust. No lunch break, no outside time at all, from 8.30-4 they are in the booth and do not leave except to use the toilet.

It’s like prison for kids!

OP posts:

titchy · 18/06/2019 20:12

Spend a day in one and see how you feel then.

You do know lots of adults work in offices set up like this?

Teachermaths · 18/06/2019 20:13

Physical booths? You have so far described office dividers. Some offices have these floor to ceiling.

There won't be no interaction. There will be some sort of down time.

What else would isolation be apart from a punishment?

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:17

But not having a pen and wearing coloured socks makes not a shit of difference to your education. What is the point?

If you dont make a big deal of the pen or the socks in the first place they dont get any attention out of it do they?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

General education

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:19

teacher the whole point of isolation is that there is no interaction.. and no.. They dont get let out for lunch.

In an office you get a lunch break. You can get up and speak to someone and most importantly youre busy doing something not just staring at a wall.

BelindasGleeTeam · 18/06/2019 20:20

There's the point you're missing.

The school sets rules. As a parent sending your child there you agree to support the school. You may even have signed a home-school agreement.

If it's THAT BAD take your child to a different school.

Teachermaths · 18/06/2019 20:23

Students are busy doing the work they've been set.

As has been repeatedly explained ON MN, it isn't just about the missing pen or the wrong coloured socks. Those rules are there because they are set by the school. As a condition of going to the school, you agree to those rules. If you break the rules there will be consequences. This is the same as real life. If you break the law, no matter how stupid you think the law is, you will be punished.

Bluerussian · 18/06/2019 20:25

I think the booths should have a fold up mattress, blanket and pillow. I'd be happy to spend the day in one like that.

Joking aside, I think they are dreadful! I'd never heard of them before this thread.

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:25

Theyre entirely pointless rules though.

If it was just up to me i would change dss school in a heartbeat but unfortunately it is not.

Ds will not be attending this school under any circumstances.

Arabuella · 18/06/2019 20:26

Hi Paul Dix, are you still annoyed that your petition only got a measly 700 signatures?

I was just about to mention him. After I was hit over the back of the head with a chair then head butted and bitten 2 days later I told my HT where to stick her Paul Dix approach... She suggested I’d like to repair the damage to the relationship I had with the pupil using reparation 🙄. I suggested calling the Police (which I did myself).

I refuse to work in any school that adopts his approach and I’m now happily employed in an LA who doesn’t agree with it.

MoobaaMoobaa · 18/06/2019 20:26

DC school uses the C system
C1 warning
C2 lunch detention
C3 after school detention
C4 Saturday detention
C5 internal exclusion
C6 external exclusion
C7 expelled

Talking to DC, their exclusion room is 6 desks facing the wall, escorted to cafe at break to get lunch and loo, lunch time stay in the room but have a loo break. Expected to do home work or work provided by class teachers. computers are available. A teacher is always in the room, other teachers pop in and out.

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:27

students are busy doing the work they've been set

Ahahaha. Yes if you consider a work sheet being kept busy. Not exactly a great education though is it.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2019 20:27

Standard school isolation room. Literally the worst thing you could do to a child

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:28

Laws are there for a reason and outdated pointless ones are abolished.

What is the reason for having to wear black socks? Does it ensure a better education?

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2019 20:28

Not exactly a great education though is it

I can tell you about the great education that was not had by many more than a handful of pupils when the school I used to work in did away with the isolation room for a couple of years.

YesItsMeIDontCare · 18/06/2019 20:29

I'm just glad the kid that dragged DS off his chair and stamped on him spent 3 days in isolation.

I'd love to know what behaviour management techniques those against iso would prefer. Because it sure as hell better not expose my child to further risk or disrupt his learning.

titchy · 18/06/2019 20:30

Ahahaha. Yes if you consider a work sheet being kept busy. Not exactly a great education though is it.

Well if they want a great education they could access one pretty easily by behaving....

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:32

I dont consider a lot of things they get sent to isolation for "misbehaving"

titchy · 18/06/2019 20:33

Laws are there for a reason and outdated pointless ones are abolished.

What is the reason for having to wear black socks? Does it ensure a better education?

So for serious infractions, do you think exclusion rooms with booths as in the picture noble posted, are a useful tool. Or do you still want them banned even for kids who routinely tell their teachers to fuck off and beat up other kids?

sharpasaknife · 18/06/2019 20:34

It’s backward thinking, no exercise, no individual assessment of needs. It’s basic crowd control and anyone who supports it is short sighted IMO. Most of the dc will have SN of some sort.

hsegfiugseskufh · 18/06/2019 20:36

I never said they should be banned.

I think they should only be used for serious incidents actually not uniform related ones or equipment.

I think kids who tell teachers to fuck off and hurt other kids need more help than an isolation booth can provide. But as a means to protect others - fine.

You dont need to protect others from someone who forgot their pen or their tie though.

They dont solve the bigger issue though.

MoobaaMoobaa · 18/06/2019 20:37

Ahahaha. Yes if you consider a work sheet being kept busy. Not exactly a great education though is it

not got a shit load of homework to do?

notacooldad · 18/06/2019 20:37

Joking aside, I think they are dreadful! I'd never heard of them before this thread
Ok, they are not great but you have probably read about some of the behaviours that get the children there ( excluding the pen and sock issue), how would you deal with a child who kept telling a teacher to and I quote here ' suck my dick bitch'?
I asked the child why they do this and apparently it's a laugh. Not in my book it isn't and if a child wasn't removed from a class my kid was in I would not be happy and looking at how they can keep my child safe.

YesItsMeIDontCare · 18/06/2019 20:37

@sharpasaknife - I would be interested to know what you personally think is a good, workable alternative.

notacooldad · 18/06/2019 20:39

Most of the dc will have SN of some sort.
Have you got a link to evidence that statement or is it an anecdotal observation?

Evenquieterlife33 · 18/06/2019 20:39

It’s inhumane and there is a petition against it doing the rounds at the moment x

Flip

1 2 3 4 5 6