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toxic parent is beloved grandparent - help me please

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plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 15:15

I’m upstairs hiding in my bedroom in my own fucking house to avoid dealing with another of my mother’s several-hours-long hissy fits about me, my siblings and my dad. Mother is downstairs playing happily with my toddler DD, her only grandchild. She turned up with a separate suitcase full of sweets, clothes, and toys on her most recent visit and is very physically affectionate with DD, cooks her favourite food, plays her favourite games all the time, so is very much loved by DD. However doesn’t do (although nor do I expect) any parental drudgery such as nappies, bath + bed or the dreaded nursery drop off. The grandma equivalent of the Disney Dad.

My mother was never physically or emotionally affectionate with us - in fact had serious anger management issues and often smacked us - and remains very critical and manipulative about us four kids in adulthood. Martyred herself for us, apparently, and is simultaneously proud and dismissive (yes, simultaneously) of our achievements, which are clearly down to her superior parenting. Whereas we are successful in spite of her, not because of her, applying ourselves at school and at work because they were such peaceful and predictable environments. Mercifully my siblings are all in agreement about our childhood and her behaviour then and now, which makes it easier to bear.

My dad was a workaholic, an alcoholic, and very controlling financially during their marriage. They divorced on very bad terms 20 odd years ago, but are now fairly amicable (except when my mother is slagging him off behind his back). She received a huge financial settlement (my father was a lot richer than he ever let on). He has been sober for years and is back in our family fold (the main reason for my mother’s continued bitterness). We are three siblings plus a half sibling from my dad’s previous marriage, and in adulthood have chosen to keep our distance from our parents but we are not quite estranged from them. They came - together- to our weddings, are devoted to DD and anxiously excited about my sister’s pregnancy. Since DD was born they have come to visit her - both separately and together - 3-4 times a year for a week or two each time. (Both live some distance away). Since DD’s birth we have seen them more often than in the previous 20 years put together.

My daughter adores them both and longs to see them but I literally can’t manage more than a few hours in my mother’s company. Neither can DH nor the sibling who lives closest to us, but at least they can escape to work or to their home; as a SAHM I’m stuck hosting my mother for a fortnight at a time.

Dad is easier as he isn’t a talker and is contrite about the past rather than bitter. We keep the chat light and he fits in with us and our plans. My mother OTOH expects us to remake our family home dynamics of 20 years ago, with her the matriarch at the centre of an adoring family (which we never were).

One of the ways my mother isolated us - of course we didn’t realise this is what she was doing at the time - was estrange us from our grandparents and extended family, particularly in the aftermath of the divorce.

I’ve just had a flash of clarity and realised this is the exact road I must not go down with DD, but just don’t know how I can retain my sanity whilst inviting such a toxic relationship back into my life.

Does anyone have any tips? I can’t let DD go home with my mother as I couldn’t guarantee she would be safe. My mother still believes in corporal punishment and still has a terrifying temper.

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Fairylea · 10/06/2019 15:18

My mum was almost identical and was also dds doting Grandma. She died in March and now I am left with dd now aged 16 very upset and grieving and not understanding why I don’t have similarly warm feelings towards my own mother. I wish I had cut contact years ago, the atmosphere between dd and I about this is now awful. You don’t have to keep contact with your mother and you’ll be faced with a similar situation to me years on from now if you do.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 10/06/2019 15:22

If she wants contact with your daughter, she has to respect your house, your rules, your feelings.

You have to have a frank conversation and lay boundaries or cut her down to very minimal contact.

juneau · 10/06/2019 15:23

I can't understand why you tolerate this state of affairs OP. Why the fuck do you allow your mother to come and stay for 2 weeks at a time several times a year when you can't stand her and she's a toxic presence???? Your DD is two years old. If you cut her out of your life again your DD will be none the wiser. FGS stop doing this to yourself. You don't have to facilitate this toxic relationship just because your horrible old mother is now a grandmother! You really need to go and see a therapist about this and get some clarity. This situation is simply untenable.

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plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 15:31

In a weird way I feel as if I need to be compassionate with my mother, and my father to a lesser extent. My mother married very young to a widower with a child, and had us three in quick succession. She couldn’t leave the child when the relationship with my dad broke down. I honestly think she’s been driven to a sort of madness by her own torment/self-sacrifice.

So I feel guilty - we kids made her sad, we made her mad, now we need to understand her and make life more tolerable for her.

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plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 15:34

The divorce did not come until my stepbrother went to university. She held out that long. It feels as if we owe her some happiness now.

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endlesslyrepeating · 10/06/2019 15:34

Can you talk to your siblings and brainstorm some ideas so you can all set the same boundaries? You want your mum to act more like your dad really, you can’t change the past but there is value in the relationship to your dd.

I feel similar about all the gp of my dc but they don’t have any other dc and kids are largely oblivious to adult dynamics. My grandparents on one side were infinitely superior, warm and loving gp but fairly shoddy parents due to issues like alcoholism, unhappy marriage etc.

endlesslyrepeating · 10/06/2019 15:35

Sorry my kids don’t have any other grandparents that should say!

plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 15:36

Weird Freudian typo there, he’s half, not step.

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endlesslyrepeating · 10/06/2019 15:37

That feeling that your family owes you something is in itself a warning isn’t it? Nobody else owes your mum anything - but you can help her to be a better gp and get something from that by setting boundaries so you don’t have to cut her out.

I would definitely set the boundary about not having sole charge, these boundaries are easy to draw out.

plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 16:02

Perhaps I’m being naive but I don’t think my mother would ever hurt my daughter in my house. I think in her house she might get precious about something being broken or DD being disobedient during the cursed bathtime hour, and lash out.

I’m nearly 40 and still afraid of my mother’s unpredictability, and now I can’t stop crying.

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plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 16:03

And I can be quite a short tempered mother myself, and having my own mother here makes me fearful for the future of my relationship with my little one.

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endlesslyrepeating · 10/06/2019 16:14

I never knew I could lose my temper before I had kids - famously long fuse, but sleep deprivation and kids are testing like nothing else!

Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 10/06/2019 16:20

I am nc with dm. She used to turn up with holdalls full of home made cakes for the dc. Bags big enough to carry a body in. Decided the names I had given my dc during ten years of nc were no good so gave them her own versions... A few months of driving me batshit and faking the dgm bit I went nc again. No regrets.

Missingstreetlife · 10/06/2019 16:24

Cut these visits short, fish and visitors stink after 3days.

plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 16:33

Shorter visits are just not an option due to the distances involved.

As the mother of the only grandchild, I’m the only sibling who has my parents to stay. They come and see her whilst my mother is here. If all goes well with my sister’s pregnancy (she’s had a heartbreaking series of losses previously) I’m hopeful that my sister will do her share of hosting. Although my sister is a very different character and is the only one of us who has ever been determinedly NC with our parents for a prolonged period.

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MissKittyBeaudelais · 10/06/2019 16:34

This is a tough one. Can you agree to may be have her visit for a shorter time period? Two weeks, when you’re walking on eggshells would make anyone feel hyper anxious. I think you know, neither your nor your siblings owe your mother anything. This is a ridiculous concept, this “you produced me and I am now your companion/whipping boy/provider of emotional reassurance. You are not. This now, is YOUR life, with YOUR child. You’re an adult and can call the shots. If your mother finds this hard, then it will be a cause of distress to each of you but the other option, you hiding in your bedroom, like a fearful teenager, is not acceptable. Your dd’s relationship with her grandma can be special but YOU have to set the rules/guidelines on what is acceptable and how it is to be done.

Please step up op. I had (still have) a mum who simply cannot see the distress she causes when on full pelt. When she visits, a few days is enough for both of us. According to her I am a failure/looking old/dress badly/have no people skills/have no idea how to run a home/should have done more with my life etc etc. It’s soooo wearying.

MissKittyBeaudelais · 10/06/2019 16:37

Well, if the distance is too far for HER to travel, why can’t you visit her? That way, you can come away when you’re ready. I don’t know what else to suggest. You know, deep down, that your mother will not change.

plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 16:39

MissKitty Yes, I attract many of the same complaints. My mother will sometimes make these criticisms via my daughter, eg say to her, “Gosh your mummy really is the fun police!”

Part of the problem is that I have no idea what a healthy relationship with a grandparent should be like - I didn’t see either set after about the age of 6. They died without me even knowing and I’ve had to piece together a narrative - one that is not my mother’s - about the estrangement through my older siblings, so not accurate.

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RosaWaiting · 10/06/2019 16:39

OP you are 40

so contraception was an option when your mum had 3 children!

okay, maybe having kids wasn't for her. I don't think my mum would make the same choice again. But I am not responsible for her choices.

I have a friend who has a constant thing going on in her family that "no one can upset mum". I know there are complicated reasons these things come about but honestly the world won't explode if you don't put her first.

RosaWaiting · 10/06/2019 16:41

PS as you are actually afraid of your mum's "unpredictability" I would go NC.

there is no loss to your DC in this. Blood doesn't mean anything when the people involved are wankers.

I was low contact with my dad. He is dead. I have no regrets. hope that helps!!

juneau · 10/06/2019 16:46

So I feel guilty - we kids made her sad, we made her mad, now we need to understand her and make life more tolerable for her.

It feels as if we owe her some happiness now.

You really don't. This is why I recommended therapy for you. Your posts are painful to read, because they are written by someone who has been conditioned by abuse to behave and think in a certain way. Your refusal to consider anything except the horrible situation you're now in further underlines this. There is no escape unless you get some help OP. This awful situation will not be fixed until you understand that you don't owe your DPs anything! You didn't choose to be born. You didn't choose to 'burden' your DM. No one held a gun to her head and made her take on a step-child and then bear three more DC herself. You aren't responsible for her or her happiness and you never were.

plumjam2019 · 10/06/2019 16:47

Something that has struck me recently is that the divorce money set my mother free to be herself.

There were a lot of privations in our family, not unusual when you have four kids, but very strange when you think how much my father was earning throughout his marriage to my mother.

Now with all the presents and loving attention to DD she’s trying to recreate a happy and bountiful family life. But we four can’t forgive her cruelties. Whereas we appear to have forgiven our father for the very situation that forced my mother’s behaviour, and she can’t stand it.

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thethoughtfox · 10/06/2019 16:53

There is a Scottish saying, "Get her tae fuck" Never have her at your house again. Visit if your child mentions it. If not, phase her out of your life. Surround your child with love not passive aggression pretend affection designed to needle you. Her caring for your child isn't sincere so she isn't missing out.

Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 10/06/2019 16:57

When your dc is old enough to understand the sort of childhood you had, they will feel pretty crappy imo that you suffered yet again at 40+ so they could have her around /she could have them - as you seem to have sacrificed them to her to keep the peace.
You are under absolutely no obligation to do this...
The beauty of being a real grown up is making your own decisions....

saraclara · 10/06/2019 17:14

When your dc is old enough to understand the sort of childhood you had, they will feel pretty crappy imo that you suffered yet again at 40+ so they could have her around /she could have them

That's exactly where I am now. I hid my childhood experiences from my kids (and my late husband) because I wanted to draw a line under it and have a happy family life, and for my kids to have a good relationship with their grandparent.

Two years ago, my brother told my youngest (aged 29) all about my mum's behaviour to me as a child, in vivid detail (he didn't know that they didn't know). She mentioned it to me, and I quietly and calmly confirmed it to her and her sister, and explained my logic. They were desperately sad for me. And confirmed that they'd never felt any closeness to their granny. Fortunately they'd had an absolutely wonderful grandma in my MIL. And they weren't silly, it turned out.

I can't advise you, OP, despite your situation being an almost carbon copy of mine nearly three decades ago. But good luck.