So if we're all going to be almost brown bread by 2050 where is the safest place to live?

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According to today's terrifying article it's going to be catastrophic after 2050 - possible war, possible nuclear war, environmental disasters, one third of the world will have temperatures that cause death 100 days a year - causing millions of people to move countries and continents.

Article here in case anyone hasn't read it

So if major cities like London where I live are a big no no - where is a big yes?

I'm no expert on environmental damage as I initially thought rural Scotland would be ok - but then I wondered about the mini ice age stuff and crops ?

So we won’t even see those wonderful benefits of Brexit Rees-Mogg promised us 50 years I the future because the world will be on fire?

Sorry, I don’t mean to be flippant. It is very scary. I feel so frightened for my children, wondering what kind of a future we have created for them.

Definitely puts bloody Brexit into perspective

If you play Plague Inc (game where you have to kill everyone in the world with plague- cheery I know!) the safest place is always Greenland. Not sure how easy it would be to emigrate there though
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How do you grow food in Greenland ?

I guess you just eat fish and seals?

Nom nom

Not

I once watched a TV show about bunkers for billionaires, maybe befriend one! Can confirm though I also play plague Inc and Greenland is where you need to be!

So happy to live in Nova Scotia, and I'm a prepper. I play Plague Inc, and watched that zombie movie, and have already drawn up an escape route.

In reality thought, it's hard to plan. Here in Canada, every year we have had wildfires, floods, tornadoes and all sorts.
Each year they are getting a bit stronger, or more eratic.
You can plan to have a stockpile, a nice home and a job, and Mother Nature can smack it off the map in a bad weekend.

North Wales was always the received wisdom during the Cold War, I think.

Regarding war, South America.

Can only be attacked via Central America or West Africa. So it's easy to defend.

Source: Risk

Spat my tea out at Source:Risk.
Read an article years ago that said closer to the north and south poles was best - like north Scotland, Tasmania etc.

I think in these kind of catastrophic scenarios that long term survival for the vast majority won't happen. Massive population shifts would be resisted, not only by whatever government/military was still operating but by the ordinary people who would already be on the brink, so there'd be a lot of dead bodies around borders.
There may be no sustainable agriculture so for most it would be a case of scavenging as much tinned/dried goods as possible to hopefully see them through whatever lifespan they have left, which may be very short if nuclear war is involved.
Birmingham is full of tunnel systems, including an abandoned nuclear shelter complex created to rehouse parliament during the Cold War, & that's where I'd probably head.
I'm not exactly a prepper myself @NorthEndGal but I've a pretty large supply of stuff & could probably survive about 6 months on what I've got already. I've also got a radiation suit. And a Geiger counter. And potassium iodide tablets. Just in case, you understand.

My children have mentioned NZ would be the place to go. Handy as we all have citizenship, well except DH, he’ll have to stay behind

Birmingham has what now?! I was brought up there and have no idea about this.

NZ would be a terrible choice. Earthquakey and unstable climate already. It does pop up in discussions as the place to avoid a nuclear winter. But why shouldn't someone nuke the fuck out of us? Western powers have long used the Pacific as a nuclear test site anyway.

Doomsday scenarios conveniently forget to account for the fact that humans are quite inventive when we have to be. The biggest impact from climate change will be population control (enforced contraception, acceptable euthanasia) and more intense border controls.
Large scale flooding etc, not going to happen. Pumps, reclamation and dykes are existing technologies that can be used.

Get off the internet and go live your life to the max then.... The end is nigh.

Go on I dare you!!!

If there’s a nuclear holocaust, why would you want to survive for an extra month or two in a bunker? To come out to what? A world that’s been totally annihilated where you starve to death anyway. Makes no sense to me.

From a climate catastrophe point of view, best chance of survival would be Northern Hemisphere ... as far North as you can. Somewhere rural where you can grow food.

So fight climate change as hard as you can! Fly less or not at all, eat less or no meat and dairy, write to companies and politicians, sign petitions, have fewer children than you otherwise would, and avoid pointless overconsumption.

We don't have to just sit back and accept the apocalypse.

I thought it was NZ

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand

@feesh I think the Birmingham Mail did a tour of some of the tunnels, I'll see if I can find the link. Although, it's rumoured that nobody actually knows the extent of them any more!

link

Due to the government moving the pension age, we wont live that long anyway, would be worked to death!

If we want to avoid this people really do have to change their lifestyles. But they won't because they are selfish. We all are, to an extent. And it's easy to think you are doing something by eg avoiding plastic straws but if you drive a gas-guzzling SUV and/or have 3 long haul holidays a year the straws are so secondary it's untrue.

And yes rather than wasting billions on Brexit we need to completely change our car centric society. We need a complete network of bike networks like the Dutch and Danes, all electric cars, and more investment in trains and trams/light rail at local level.

Far more investment in renewables too.

On the plus side, if this is only 30 years away, maybe I don't have to worry about dementia because I'll be dead before it happens.

Perhaps I don't need to worry about pension contributions either.

I’m staying put
I will be 98
Bring it on

Is that guaranteed 😂