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Do you think I’ll ever get my dsis back?

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BrainScience · 08/05/2019 10:04

Nc’d as dsis would definitely recognise me from my previous posting history.

Dsis and I have been best friends our whole life. We were born 11 months apart and were in the same class for primary and secondary. Even now we live 80 miles apart we message each other everyday and speak on the phone a couple of times a week. She’s the funniest, cleverest, just loveliest person I know.

But, nearly 2 years ago she had her first child and has turned into a completely different crazy person. I’m sure when I had my first dc I was a bit child centric for a while but this is a whole new level. Her dh and her ate puréed food for 6 months when her dd wouldn’t eat anything through baby led weaning as they wanted to all eat the same as a family. I got her dd a little dress when she was a couple of months old. Dsis opened it and immediately shoved it back in the bag in shock and said ‘I told you she won’t be wearing dresses.’ She may have told me at some point during one of her massive lists of what they will/ won’t be doing for dd but I genuinely didn’t pick up on it. When her dd was about 6 months old I said something like ‘don’t you look pretty in your stripy leggings’ and was told I wasn’t to use the word pretty, I should say ‘strong’ or ‘brave’. If we ever go to cafes dsis will bring out a picnic she’s made for her dd and herself, again because the family must all eat the same thing. Once I got my dc’s an ice cream when we were out and dsis constructed a wall out of a couple of muslins and sticks so her dd wouldn’t see them eat it. I was told if I wanted to buy them ice creams could I let her know in future so she could remove her dd.

There are so many more crazy examples that it would take days for me to list. I thought it would last a few months and then she’d realise she was being nuts and go back to being herself. But it’s been nearly two years and there’s no sign of my dsis coming back. I don’t want to mention that she might be being a teeny bit ott with her dd because I don’t want to upset her. But she doesn’t seem to be bothered that a lot of her parenting is clearly disapproving of what I’m doing and it makes me feel a bit shit.

In previous years we always used to set Skype up next to each other when we watched tv series so it was like we were in the same room. She won’t do that now as she doesn’t want to use screens unnecessarily (even though her dd would be in bed) as it sets a bad example. I was watching GoT the other night on my own and I actually started crying because I missed my dsis so much.

Is there any hope of her coming back? I know everything changes when you have kids but I’d like just one conversation with her that wasn’t about how she’s raising her child. Or do you think I just have to accept this is who she is now?

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TheQueef · 08/05/2019 13:13

Sorry sis has gone a bit baby loopy but I agree it sounds like you and dsis are great together ❤

Mummaofmytribe · 08/05/2019 13:14

I knew a lady who had a long struggle ttc. It was an awful few years before she finally had her son and from the way she behaved with him, I suspected she was desperate to be the perfect mother to a perfect child.
I wondered if all the heartache had to be kinda worth it in her eyes by her being some idealised super mumma.
From the outside she really seemed nuts in her behaviour. Every tiny thing was regimented and she had almost a library of parenting books.
I remember the baby as a hulking great 14 month old fighting his mother to get out of the sling on her hip she insisted on keeping him inHmm
I wonder if your sister is going through a similar thing?

BrainScience · 08/05/2019 13:21

stormy I think that’s it exactly, she sees parenthood as her job and has to control every part of it. Tbf she doesn’t criticise my parenting as such but she obviously thinks her way is better or she wouldn’t do it.

She’s also told my dc’s off a lot for things that I don’t think they deserve telling off for. My dc’s now don’t enjoy them visiting and try and get out of it. Dh has refused to see them for nearly a year now as they annoy him so much.

The other week we were at the beach and her dd was stood by the sea with dbil picking up pebbles and dropping them in. My youngest went over and stood next to them and starting doing the same. My dsis ran over and started really shouting at my ds saying ‘don’t you ever throw stones at Isla*, put it down now!’ My ds was really upset as he was only doing what her dd was doing and there was no throwing at all involved, just dropping. I told my dsis not to shout at him as he hadn’t done anything wrong and she insisted that he was throwing stones at her and I hadn’t seen it (I definitely had). Dsis was getting really upset so I dropped it. But she’s just behaving like this with everyone and it’s just weird and infuriating.

*changed name

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HumphreyCobblers · 08/05/2019 13:24

Your poor ds. No wonder he doesn't want to go there.

I think she sounds unwell actually.

Greencustard · 08/05/2019 13:25

This sounds very very worrying. What is she going to do with her DC starts school and is invited to birthday parties? Is she going to isolate her child?

NCBabyBoy · 08/05/2019 13:40

She sounds extremely perfectionist and I would imagine the pressure she is putting on herself in the process is making her deeply unhappy. I agree in principle with BLW, no screens, no sugar, modelling the right behaviour etc, but as a guideline. I think it's very easy to forget that you don't have to do everything by the (baby) book, as there is no right or wrong way with a lot of things. I wish I'd never read the sodding baby sleep guide, DS sleeps just fine but every evening I feel I shouldn't be rocking him to sleep

There have been times where I've thought (for example, when really tired) "I should really brush my teeth, how can I expect DS to develop the right habits if I don't have them?" and then I've realised that it really matters not one jot what I do when he's in bed, as long as it doesn't impact my ability to look after him. I really can't imagine she's enjoying her way of parenting, it sounds extremely stressful. It comes across as an extreme desire for control. Could she have OCD/ anxiety? This can develop later in life I think.

NCBabyBoy · 08/05/2019 13:42

Meant to add: it doesn't sound like it's her choice to parent this way, more like she feels she has to because it's the only right way and she will be a failure otherwise. I feel for her. And you, of course. Big hug!

Redcliff · 08/05/2019 18:01

I think we can all be a bit nuts with our PFB but this is taking it to the next level especially after 2 years.

What she wants to do with her child is up to her but I would talk to her about the shouting at my kids though. Maybe ask her if she could alert you if there is an issue and you deal with it - so for the stones on the beach a "looks like you having fun - just be careful around stones and the younger ones" type thing.

BrainScience · 08/05/2019 18:14

I just feel like I can’t talk to her about anything anymore without her taking it as a personal insult. Re the shouting, before she had her dd she often looked after my dc and I was always happy for her to tell them off if they’d been naughty because I knew she was always pretty fair with them. But now she seems to view my dc’s (and the rest of the world) as being out to get her child. My eldest is autistic and absolutely hates getting things wrong. He quite often doesn’t speak for whole days but is fascinated with his cousin. On her first birthday she was sat on ds1’s lap and stroking her hair, he looked really happy and it was a really sweet moment. Then I looked up and saw my dsis almost in tears of stress and bil had his arm around her but obviously sort of holding her back. It was so clear that she just wanted to snatch her back from ds1. I picked her up and gave her to my sis but it made me so sad that she felt that way Sad.

I don’t really know my bil’s family but I’m friends with them on FB and they’ve seemed really nice on the few times I’ve met them. Would it be really weird to message his mum/ brother and see if they have any thoughts on it? There’s no way they could have not noticed their behaviour but if for some reason they think I’m stirring and tell them then all hell would break lose. I just don’t know what to do.

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AFistfulofDolores1 · 08/05/2019 18:18

OP, I think your dsis is unwell.

I think her behaviour is compensatory, and she is defending against her own (to her) horrifying feelings about her daughter.

I think this is a particularly extreme presentation of post-partum depression. I'm not sure what you can do about it though, as I don't believe she currently has any capacity for insight. Not unless/until she has a break-down.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 08/05/2019 18:19

Her belief that your DCs are out to get her DD is probably a projection on her part.

KOBr · 08/05/2019 18:46

Your DSIS needs help, seriously. Her child will not cope at school or when she HAS to mix with other children - nor will your sister.

This is very strange behaviour.

foreverhanging · 08/05/2019 19:02

I get some of the boundaries she's trying to place but she's wayyyyyyy over the top. I didn't want pink stuff for my dd as I just don't really like it. People still bought her bits and I said thank you and maybe put her in them once for a picture but I'd never dress her in them. I also do understand what she means about the pretty/brave/strong thing but to be honest you just can't stop people saying it! I also call my daughter pretty/beautiful because well, she is.

The purées for 6 months made me laugh though!

Is there any way you could try and have a conversation about 'the past' to try and say you'd like to do some of that stuff again? Invite her to skype when the next episode is on! If she makes an excuse or says no, tell her how you feel a bit sad about what you've lost. It might jolt her into thinking about it.

HoHoHolyCow · 08/05/2019 19:08

My PND presented as extreme anxiety about doing everything The Right Way. I was constantly tense and on edge and would worry myself stupid about anything and everything. At the end of each day I would be given an imaginary score out of 10 by an imaginary panel of parenting judges. It was exhausting and I was miserable.

I had some kind of talking therapy through my GP which helped loads.

I still have a tendency towards anxiety and perfectionism but can recognise when it is getting out of hand and rein it in.

I hope your sister is able to admit she needs help x

sonjadog · 08/05/2019 19:13

I think it sounds like she is unwell too. However, it also doesn't sound like she would be open to hearing this or be aware of it herself at the moment, so I don't think there is anything that you can do about it except protect your own children from the worst of it and ride it out. She won't be able to keep this up for ever. As her child gets older, she isn't going to accept these restrictions.

I really wouldn't contact your BiL´s family about this. If I were your sister, I would find that verging on unforgivable.

HoHoHolyCow · 08/05/2019 19:14

Also to add - I was a high achiever at work too and assumed I could carry this over to motherhood. The lack of control I had over how DS slept/developed/didn't conform to routine as expected etc played a massive part in how I felt.

NameChangedNoImagination · 08/05/2019 19:24

Extreme perfectionist, channeled that energy from work to parenting. I agree with posters who've said this. I don't have any answers unfortunately, but it's very sad for you.

Greencustard · 08/05/2019 19:32

There’s no way they could have not noticed their behaviour but if for some reason they think I’m stirring and tell them then all hell would break lose. I just don’t know what to do

I think it's only a matter of time before all hell breaks loose anyway. She's going to insult/do/ say something to your or other family members children that will cause a fracture in the family. She's already upset you multiple times.

fedup21 · 08/05/2019 19:32

Wow-she sounds like she has lost all perspective:(

BendydickCuminsnatch · 08/05/2019 19:39

It sounds like you'll Have to do something, for the sake of your niece - she’s going to end up really messed up if her parents keep behaving like this Confused

FiremanKing · 08/05/2019 19:54

Her behaviour is unhinged and she is behaving irrationally.

Sounds to be like she has developed schizophrenia or similar.

FiremanKing · 08/05/2019 19:57

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12225451/

Blueemeraldagain · 08/05/2019 20:00

I agree. I think she is clearly struggling with something. Could you speak to her or her husband? Could your mum?

Her daughter will end up going seriously off the rails by secondary school if this carries on.

FiremanKing · 08/05/2019 20:03

Actually there was an episode of Law and Order SVU that had a mother behave similar.

I’ll find it.

FiremanKing · 08/05/2019 20:05

lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Shattered