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Tax credit and work misery

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Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 09:58

Hi, I'm in a bit of a situation and just seem to be facing a brick wall whichever way I turn and I don't know what to do. It's quite long and complicated.
I work on an 8 day rota and get paid weekly, the reason for the 8 day rota is that it ensures that no one gets stuck with all the busy shifts all the time and so it falls forward a day each week. Each shift is 10-7 but we get half an hour taken off for a break, so each shift is 8.5 hours. So taking into account the way the rota works, for one 4 week period I technically get paid for 25.5 hours a week, then the next 4 week period I get paid for 34 hours a week. Working it out over the year, on an average, that's 29.75 hours a week. I always work 4 shifts in a row, but they may be Mon, Tue, wed, Thurs which is 34 hours in the same week or then it may be Fri, sat, sun and Mon, first 3 shifts in one week, the next shift in the following week, so 3 shifts that week.
I've worked there a year and have done a fair amount of overtime since I started, and changed my tax credits to reflect this as it happened. It was sometimes just starting 2 hours early for a few weeks, or for 6/8 weeks at a time was doing 5 nights instead of 4 to cover after someone left the other job. That happened 3 times.
I am a single parent and was recieving wtc and ctc, around £100 per week for both. Now that the overtime has stopped (I have no choice in this) I have changed tax credits to 29 hours (they told me to declare 29 because they round down so the .75 doesn't count) and have lost £30 a week. Speaking to them I've apparently lost a 30 hour element? I had no idea this existed and I was getting it, but tbh, it seems really unfair that for the sake of 15 minutes a week, I'm now really going to struggle to survive. My income overall has dropped by about £150 a month, for perspective that's the council tax and water bill. I already had very little leeway in my budget, once the essentials are covered I'm left with nothing really.
I've been looking at other pt jobs, and applied for a few, no joy because employers want my full flexibility which I can't offer, due to my job. As I'm on a changing rota I can't commit to one or two set days a week either all the time. No one is interested because they'll have to work around me and businesses don't want that.
I'm totally stuffed, I'm looking for something that will give me 30+ hours but they're just not there for the type of work I can do, it's all zero hours. I've worked really hard to repay debts accrued in a crap relationship and my DD is 16 so I don't have childcare issues either.
I don't know what to do, I'm going to end up not being able to pay everything I need to, I can't cut back, I'm in social housing, I already need to restrict fuel use, don't have sky etc, don't have a car etc. I don't have anything I can cut back on. I'm heading back to bailiffs and debt and I can't see a way out. I'm so scared.

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EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:01

is there any way you can lie and say you work 30 hours?

NoToast · 28/04/2019 10:07

I remember from some threads years ago that people were claiming working tax credits on the basis that they were an eBay seller. I'm sure you can have a self employed business buying and selling on eBay for an hour a week. Keep all your documentation. You could also ask amongst friends for anyone who wants an hour a week of cleaning/dog walking/gardening/ running errands for elderly etc. To be carried out flexibly. Good luck.

MaybeDoctor · 28/04/2019 10:08

That is tough.

Speak to your employer again?

Can you do something self employed on the side? eg selling on

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MaybeDoctor · 28/04/2019 10:08

Ebay

EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:09

I dont remember anyone asking for any proof of the actual hours, my hours varied and I had to take a calculation, just recalculate op, and calculate it at 30 hours

WrongKindOfFace · 28/04/2019 10:09

Have you checked to see if you would be better off on universal credit?

To be honest I think you’d be better off looking for something with permanent full time hours as if your child is 16 you won’t have long to go before you lose the child tax credits anyway.

WrongKindOfFace · 28/04/2019 10:12

She can’t lie, they can check how many hours she works. Why would anyone even suggest this? And don’t take the risk of setting up a self employed business to game the system.

EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:13

are you sure they check?

speak to your employer in that case, for the sake of 15 minutes

WrongKindOfFace · 28/04/2019 10:25

Of course they can check if they suspect an illegularity. It’s benefit fraud.

WrongKindOfFace · 28/04/2019 10:26

*irregularity

Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:26

I don't think lying about the hours is a solution, I'd be committing benefit fraud and I really don't want to do that. It did cross my mind, but it's not right, and on a personal level, I'd get caught anyway and end up even worse off in the long run. If I were to now change my hours to 30 but not change my income, I think that'd be a way they'd find out.

I am looking for 30+ hours - for what I can do it's just not there, zero hours mainly, the odd 12 hours but as I said those employers want flexibility that I can't offer. I'm on the bank in a few places, but inevitably they want me when I'm already at work.
I literally don't have anything that I can sell on eBay, all my stuff is second or third hand and pretty battered to start with, I couldn't see anyone wanting it. I don't have the money to invest in some stock of something to start selling either, especially not now.
I am going to speak to my employer and see if there's a way I can work more hours permanently. I'd be more than willing to do 5 nights on a permanent basis, but they don't like it because it's harder to cover holiday and sickness with 5 nights.
I have looked into all the avenues I can think of, hitting the job sites daily, applying for other jobs etc. Something will come up, but it's what the hell I do between now and then that I'm worried about.

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EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:27

In that case just ask for more over time op
I dont believe it could be classified as fraud Hmm

Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:33

And my understanding of UC is you're worse off anyway.
I am doing some courses (a Christmas present!) At the moment, to get some qualifications to go for a different area that's better paid, but I'm not there yet. The problem essentially is that no one is willing to give me enough hours to work so that I can get out of TC all together. It's a lot of hours. Once DD has finished GSCE she is going to get a job alongside college, and I will maintain the home support as such, she will fund her own lifestyle through that, going out, getting to work, make up etc. Even if I could afford to fully support her, I'd do that anyway.

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Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:34

@EleanorReally

The overtime has stopped, not my choice, I have asked and been told no.

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Quickthrowaway · 28/04/2019 10:35

Ffs, will everyone stop calling tax credits benefits. Half the country claims them just to eat

OP do what you need to do to get by

EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:35

Try CAB op
or if you have debts, Stepchange
such bad luck for you

EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:36

can you clean people's houses, make up your own rota?

Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:38

@WrongKindOfFace

I don't want to 'game' anything! I want to work and earn my living, and I'm trying to do that. I can't afford to live on my income and I'm looking for alternatives to up my income and drawing a blank. I'm not looking for advice on how to play the system, I'm looking for advice on how to survive this time.

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Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:40

@EleanorReally

That is an option I've looked into, I think I could potentially have a market for this but the insurance side of things concerns me. I can't afford the insurance until I get going if that makes any sense?

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EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:42

how much in advance do you know your rota?

Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 10:49

It's always 4 on, 4 off so potentially months. It does change sometimes, like when the other job is vacant and I cover but generally that's what it is.

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EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:53

so that is positive for you to fit in another temporary/ad hoc position, just to up your hours.
best of luck op

EleanorReally · 28/04/2019 10:54

even some sort of seasonal work

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 28/04/2019 10:58

Yes - a quick google shows that you get “up to £810 a year” if you work 30 hours a week or more.

And you work 29.75 hours!

What a bugger! (Sorry - no other way of describing it!)

So you basically need to work something like an extra 13 hours a year to average on 30 hours.

I guess the easiest is a couple of extra shifts at work. Can you make it clear to your boss that you are in this slightly weird position so totally happy to work an extra shift here and there - even if it is a really unpopular day.

Or some form of temping? In the summer there are often things like agricultural shows near where I live. They require colossal amounts of staff for 2 or 3 days so usually hire loads of students.

Or a job from 8pm til midnight one day a week? (Bar work, cleaning?) It would be really hard if you were working both sides of it but it would bump you up.

Whatistheworldcominto · 28/04/2019 11:05

@EleanorReally

Yes I thought that too, but for the applications I did get a response to, they want me to be available all the time at short notice, or to be available one day a week permanently. I can't do that, not so bad if I'm nights one side of that day, but some weeks it'd be Nightshift, full day shift, then back onto Nightshift again, that's why I'm struggling I think.

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