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Would your work pay for this? AIBU thinking they would?

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Quickthrowaway · 23/04/2019 22:00

I’ve been told I need to go on a training course/conference. Really short notice. Full day 9am-4.30, paid for by work.

However....it is a 6 hour drive or a 4.30 hr train journey away. Meaning I need to be leaving around 2/3/4am in the morning and then the same on the way home.

They will not pay for a hotel the night before and it’s expected I will drive and claim back mileage. Should say it is a public sector job. AIBU to think they would pay for accommodation the night before?

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EL8888 · 23/04/2019 22:17

YANBU that’s a liberty. Where l work then they would pay for 1 night as it’s unavoidable. Definitely not 2. I work public sector as well

itstheweekend2 · 23/04/2019 22:18

You need to get the train and overnight accommodation plus expenses. It shouldn't matter what sector you work in as the length of the day including travelling time would be illegal surely?

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Quickthrowaway · 23/04/2019 22:21

Realistically I’d need to leave at 3.30am at the latest to get there on time.

I asked about a hotel today and my manager said “oh you can just drive and leave early surely?” I was a bit unsure as I’ve not been on a course this far away before

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Ffsnosexallowed · 23/04/2019 22:21

NHS, with budgets tighter than tight and I would get accommodation paid.

Ffsnosexallowed · 23/04/2019 22:21

Or conference call....

IncrediblySadToo · 23/04/2019 22:23

They will not pay for a hotel the night before

Then I would not be going 🤷🏻‍♀️ Their choice.

They should book you the night before AND the night of the training, plus food allowance and give YOU the choice of train or taking your car. You do NOT have to drive there if you don’t want to.

78percentLindt · 23/04/2019 22:24

Yep- hotel paid for previous night and probably 2nd night. Check the T&S rules. I worked in public sector and there were rules about length of working day. In CS, we were definately not permitted to work more that 13 hours, including driving time, whether pool cars or your own car. That also means you travel to the course in work time- not after a full day. The travel is part of your working day. TBH I would have been encouraged to use the train
I wouldn't go if expected to drive 12 hours and do a 7 hour day. I would put this in writing as expecting you to do 19 hour day is downright unacceptable and exceeds the working time directive.

ThankYouDebbie · 23/04/2019 22:24

Nhs and yes, would get accommodation. Our expenses policy covers specifically from what time/journey yoi can claim (not that I can remember the exact rules).

Fr3d · 23/04/2019 22:24

19 hour day definitely too much to ask

MsJaneAusten · 23/04/2019 22:28

I teach and would definitely get the night before, probably not the night after if there was a reasonably timed train. I would not be expected to drive.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2019 22:31

That amount of driving in a day is dangerous and I would refuse. At the very least they need to pay for a train so you can rest.

Public sector here. I’m not sure they would pay for two nights accommodation but they would definitely pay for one. If they couldn’t afford that due to budget then they wouldn’t send me on the course.

I thought my boss was harsh but she would never expect me to do this.

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Quickthrowaway · 23/04/2019 22:32

It is the NHS yes....

I checked our t&s policy today and it says nothing about timings just “if a hotel is needed in the course of business....”

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Villanellesproudmum · 23/04/2019 22:33

Even if I wanted to drive my boss wouldn’t allow that and if I didn’t book a hotel the night before, she would for me and give me a , in fact if my daughter was on school holidays she would include her in the booking. I have done an 18 day but that was on the train and she didn’t know until afterwards and wasn’t happy.

brownjumper · 23/04/2019 22:34

From where to where do you need to go?

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2019 22:35

I’m NHS and I see a fair few training / study requests. I’ve never seen anyone expected to do that amount of driving in one day. Don’t do it.

caughtinanet · 23/04/2019 22:38

I can't believe any job would think that was a reasonable thing for an employee to do.

AlunWynsKnee · 23/04/2019 22:38

Are you in a union? I'd check with them that they would support you if you refuse to do it all in one day.

PresidentHump · 23/04/2019 22:41

Have you actually told them you'll need to leave home at 3am to drive? Have you explicitly spelt it out
I've worked for some right knobs (all sectors) and there is NO WAY anyone would have refused a hotel in that situation.

isabellerossignol · 23/04/2019 22:41

Where I work (public sector) accommodation would be paid for.

But previous employers in the private sector wouldn't have paid for accommodation.

Flowersmakemyday · 23/04/2019 22:43

I would be refusing to do this as it is totally unsafe expecting you to get up at that time of the morning to travel. Also, you're going to be so tired what benefit will the course be to you, if you can't concentrate. I once, momentarily, fell asleep driving and it scared the life out of me. I now refuse to drive anywhere if I am tired or likely to be.

ElektraUnchained · 23/04/2019 22:43

Public sector here with quite tight expenses rules. My boss would look at me like I'd grown another head if I suggested doing this in a day.

UCOforAC12 · 23/04/2019 22:45

PS here. Absolutely. Certainly for the night before and to be honest my manager would sign off that evening too because a long course plus 6 hours travel is dangerous.

SuperSara · 23/04/2019 23:04

I would absolutely stay over the night before.

No company I’ve worked for would ever condone that sort of travel plan.

LL83 · 23/04/2019 23:06

You wont learn anything on the course if you have been up so early. Hope you get it sorted.

NicoAndTheNiners · 23/04/2019 23:06

I used to work for the nhs and while in years gone by we had accommodation/travel paid recently they've just refused. So a load of us got sent on a course 3-4 hr drive away and told no travel reimbursement and no hotels. I'm fairly sure it's against the rules.

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