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Notre Dame cathedral is on fire!

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ithinkmycatistryingtokillme · 15/04/2019 18:23

It's breaking on bbc news, from the pictures it's a major blaze!

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/04/2019 16:51

While marvellous, that seems really strange about the windows ... wasn't there an online pic last night of flames actually coming through the south one?

Doesn't really matter though; the important thing is that they're safe

endofthelinefinally · 16/04/2019 17:05

Just as an aside - in some countries the catholic church is one of the very few organisations that provides charitable services when there is no state aid at all.
I say that as someone who doesn't have a lot of time for the Catholic church, but I have visited orphanages and care homes they run in the far east, and I have seen some really good work by dedicated people. You can't really generalise.

TulipFever · 16/04/2019 17:16

Hundreds of millions of euros/pounds to restore a Catholic house of prayer, when there are people starving, dying of curable diseases, fleeing war and terror, all around the world. In countries where the Catholic Church is active.

But it's not a 'Catholic house of prayer'. It's a building owned by the French state, with the funds generated from tourist income going into the upkeep of the building. When church(es) and state separated in 1905, all religious buildings became state owned, but religious communities were allowed to continue to use them without having to pay a fee.

The vast majority of people donating to restore Notre Dame are people passionate about it as a gem of medieval architecture and art, not people of a specific religious background.

And I fail to see what the fact that people are starving and dying of curable diseases in countries where there are Catholics has to do with anything. Do you blame the C of E for homelessless in London?

Deadringer · 16/04/2019 17:22

Catholic house of power? It is a major tourist attraction that belongs to the French state. As a pp said there are Catholic charities helping people in the poorest parts of the world. I am an atheist but people close to me have dealings with a Catholic charity in India that feed and educate street children. There are thousands of similar set ups all over the world, and yes they help people of all religions and none. I think it's very likely that the Catholic Church helps a good deal more people than the sneery people posting on here.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 16/04/2019 17:31

It is also a functioning Catholic house of worship Hmm

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 17:42

It is also a functioning Catholic house of worship hmm

And a functioning tourist attraction and technically, an art museum owned by the state. Hmm It has many functions, as do all those buildings. I've attended quite a few concerts in French cathedrals including Notre Dame de Paris.

Deadringer · 16/04/2019 17:43

It is disingenuous to call it a Catholic house of prayer when it is clearly so much more. It is still used by the church yes, but it belongs to the state and it's main function is as a tourist attraction. I imagine it welcomes rather less daily mass goers than the 35,000 tourists of all faiths that visit it every day.

indeed · 16/04/2019 17:46
Hmm
Notre Dame cathedral is on fire!
NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 17:47

It's also used as a film set, as a photo shoot set, a place of study for many who are pursuing skilled specialist trades or art. But hey, let's use it to take digs a the Catholic church and rich people on how they chose to spend their money Hmm.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 16/04/2019 17:48

It's equally disingenuous to claim it's simply a tourist attraction.

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 17:50

It's equally disingenuous to claim it's simply a tourist attraction.

True, because it's also a museum, a film set, a photo shoot location, a place of study for many many artisans and students of art and history, a concert venue, it's even used for lectures and talks.

LittleAndOften · 16/04/2019 17:54

As long as the Catholic church continue to contribute to the AIDS pandemic in Africa by refusing to sanction condoms, I will struggle to support any of their work. This affects millions. Entire populations. It's preposterous. And on a smaller but equally shocking scale, the successive cover ups of child abuse.

Going into any church, particularly a Catholic church, makes me deeply uncomfortable. I think the institution itself is the height of hypocrisy, and I find the level of money donated today a bit baffling. Great for Notre Dame, and that's fine, historic monument and all that, but I've always found the amount of gold and wealth on show in churches, particularly Catholic ones, at odds with the teachings of Jesus. I'm not a Christian, but had a Christian upbringing, and I've seen from the inside that the Church as a body has very little to do with faith. It's a man-made and deeply flawed institution which has always been more about power and control than genuinely practising the core messages of the New Testament. And I will always think that's a shame, given what it's meant to stand for. And yes there are individuals who do good work, but there are as many non religious people who do just as much, so the church doesn't have a monopoly on that. I don't think a few good works outdo the huge atrocity of the AIDS pandemic.

I can't help but agree with those posters who've questioned the amount of money raised for this building, and what it could be better used for. It sums up the ever widening gap between rich and poor, and a problem with our superficial society - a building receives more in 12 hours than many causes for human beings in need will ever make.

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 18:01

That's cool then, Little, don't go into them or give money to restore a building owned by the French state.

I find utterly ridiculous to think a government should leave an unstable burned out building to sit and rot in the middle of a huge city because some think they should spend the money elsewhere. That would be like the same thing happening to Westminster Abbey and saying, 'Well, shucks, just let it sit there burned out because there are other causes.' Stupid and not going to happen.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 16/04/2019 18:02

Of course they should do something with it. The question is what and who funds it. Those are questions worth debating, surely?

bmbonanza · 16/04/2019 18:07

Sad but glad its not in this country so they wont waste loads of our public money rebuilding it.

honeybee88 · 16/04/2019 18:17

If every one in France gave £1 they would immediately have £67 milloions....and if anyone in UK help with just one pound each......the Cathedral would rise again!

honeybee88 · 16/04/2019 18:18

Millions.....lol...not milloions. But yes I am sure that amount would cover it....then have a huge street party....lol. 😁😁😁

LittleAndOften · 16/04/2019 18:20

@NaturatintGoldenChestnut that's not what I said at all. I don't object to restoring it. It's a huge excess of funds, and therefore worth debate over how the entirety is best used.

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 18:20

The question is what and who funds it. Those are questions worth debating, surely?

Erm, no, not if private individuals want to donate their personal money towards its restoration. It's for people to do as they like with their spare funds.

Sad but glad its not in this country so they wont waste loads of our public money rebuilding it.

So then you are of the belief that the essential restoration work that is going on at Westminster should cease and the building just be allowed to collapse because, well, what a waste. It's an old building and all.

honeybee88 · 16/04/2019 18:21

Eeek.....yes I agree actually.....but I just think the Notre Dame is such a beautiful old building and it seems just terrible not to reatore it. But I do agree with a lot of what you say.

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 16/04/2019 18:22

It's a huge excess of funds, and therefore worth debate over how the entirety is best used.

And since it belongs to the French state, I'm sure they and the specialists they hire will do that job accordingly, especially since no one yet knows exactly how much it's all going to cost so there's no 'excess of funds' at present Hmm

origamiunicorn · 16/04/2019 18:24

*But it's not a 'Catholic house of prayer'. It's a building owned by the French state, with the funds generated from tourist income going into the upkeep of the building. When church(es) and state separated in 1905, all religious buildings became state owned, but religious communities were allowed to continue to use them without having to pay a fee.

The vast majority of people donating to restore Notre Dame are people passionate about it as a gem of medieval architecture and art, not people of a specific religious background.

And I fail to see what the fact that people are starving and dying of curable diseases in countries where there are Catholics has to do with anything. Do you blame the C of E for homelessless in London?*

This ^^

Honeyroar · 16/04/2019 18:26

Surely it would be insured anyway? I don't quite understand why it needs all these donations.

TulipFever · 16/04/2019 18:26

If Westminster Abbey burned down, would you let it rot? Does it symbolise for you the corrupt power of the C of E? Or indeed the monarchy, as it’s a Royal Peculiar? Hmm

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 16/04/2019 18:28

Actually given French presidents and their penchant for ridiculously overblown grands projets, I wouldn't be surprised if they put up a glass and steel monstrosity or something instead...