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Social housing tenant says he is being punished for speaking to the Guardian.

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HelenaDove · 12/04/2019 16:34

amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/12/social-housing-tenant-punished-speaking-guardian?__twitter_impression=true

"Social tenant says he is being punished for speaking to the Guardian

Thomas Reames says Southern Housing extended probation period after he discussed segregated facilities

A social housing tenant with a heavily pregnant wife who spoke to the Guardian about segregated facilities in his block has said he’s being punished by his housing provider for doing so.

Thomas Reames, 42, was to sign a five-year tenancy agreement with social housing provider Southern Housing but days after the Guardian highlighted social tenants had no access to lifts in his block, he was told his probation period would have to be extended.

A housing officer from Southern Housing told Reames he would not be able to sign his tenancy agreement for his home in Legacy House, Hackney Wick, as expected because of separate allegations that were brought forward after he spoke to the Guardian. Reames said that the housing officer warned he and his family would be monitored over the next six months to see if he continues to follow the agreement in his tenancy but that if the provider was still unsatisfied he could lose his home

Reames said the sudden change came as a huge shock to him and his wife, who are expecting their fourth child. “All the indications before that was that we were signing that tenancy agreement, but that’s suddenly changed,” he said. “It’s a huge shock to us and it’s upsetting as this comes at a time when I’m expecting my fourth child in a few weeks.”

On 1 April, Reames told the Guardian that pregnant and disabled social housing tenants in his block, which is dominated by privately owned flats, are forced to use stairs to access their floor because the lift was designed to stop only on private floors.

London Legacy Development Corporation (LLDC), the planning authority, confirmed that after residents campaigned it is taking enforcement action over social tenants’ access to the lift.

Shortly after the Guardian article was published, Reames received an email that said due to a number of issues in the previous year, Southern Housing would be extending his probation period. Reames said the housing provider had not raised any issues with them in the previous 12 months

In the same email, Reames and his wife Taslima were told: “Please can you also ensure that your conduct over social media in regards to Legacy House matters is deemed as appropriate.”

Reames said residents have been trying to make Southern Housing aware of the developer’s planning breaches, the most significant being the lack of access to lifts for social housing tenants, but failed to get any support.

He added: “There now appears to be a campaign to attempt to bully residents into silence or encourage us to not chase up on these breaches or highlight them. Since the Guardian article on 1 April 2019, SHG [Southern Housing Group] commented to me on 3 April 2019 they are aware of the article and then on 9 April they instructed me not to talk about the breaches on social media, which quite frankly is disgusting.

Taslima Reames said: “As far as I was aware, I was expecting to sign this five-year tenancy agreement with Southern Housing, but after the article we were suddenly told about these complaints. It just feels like they are making something up to extend our probation period.

“I’m due to give birth in seven weeks and I don’t need this stress.”

Southern Housing is a major housing provider in Tower Hamlets, but the council declined to provide comment on the case.

Rabina Khan, a Liberal Democrat councillor in Tower Hamlets, said: “Who do Southern Housing think they are? The thought police? A social housing tenant exercises his democratic right to speak to the press about the social housing block he lives in then suddenly gets an email from his landlord informing him that he is being investigated for those comments?

She added: “What makes Southern Housing think they have any control whatsoever over what one of their tenants can say? Thomas has the right to speak to the press or anyone else for that matter.”

Chris Harris, executive director, customer services at Southern Housing, said: “It would not be right to discuss the specific details of a customer’s tenancy account. However, we can assure you that our communication with Mr Reames and Mrs Reames, which has been ongoing for some weeks, has nothing at all to do with any contact that Mr Reames may have had with the press.”

Harris added: “As an organisation, from time to time we remind residents that comments on social media should always be considerate as they are subject to the same laws that govern other forms of public behaviour. Southern Housing Group understands that frustrations about housing, neighbours and similar issues do sometimes boil over onto social media.

“We offer this advice as a matter of support and goodwill, although we recognise that it is not always perceived this way and perhaps we could phrase it better."

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HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 19:59

And it was home owners who built an effigy of Grenfell last Guy Fawkes night put it on a fire and filmed themselves laughing and taking the piss. With comments like "this is what happens when you dont pay your rent"

Is it therefore ok to say all home owners are like this?

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RuffleCrow · 14/04/2019 20:02

There is no law against discussing housing associations in the press. Slander and libel only apply to individuals targetted.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 14/04/2019 20:04

Expecting a fourth child and reliant on social housing - not really a good idea to bite the hand that feeds them is it?

Urgh!! How Dickensian!

agree, if he is unhappy they should find alternative accommodation.

No, if you’re unhappy you’re allowed to complain.

But he really shouldn’t have got his wife pregnant, yet again, if he can’t afford the children he already has.

Eh? Confused what on Earth makes you think he can’t afford his children?

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 14/04/2019 20:07

Meanwhile Mr Sperm knocks his wife up four times and is given free social housing

Why is it always the idiots who haven’t a fucking clue what they’re talking about that spout off in these thread? Free social housing your arse!

HelenaDove · 16/04/2019 17:18

www.24housing.co.uk/news/government-to-drop-plans-to-create-a-national-tenant-voice/

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government has decided not to pursue a national tenants’ group, it is believed.

24housing has learned the government is due to drop the idea, first pitched in the Social Housing Green Paper.

Although a discussion paper, the tenant voice was widely believed to be a key pillar of government housing plans.

It is now thought government ministers will be conducting their own roadshows, as was used in the creation of the Green Paper.

There is concern this will result in key issues, such as welfare reform, being ignored.

In the Paper’s foreword, James Brokenshire says the third principle “concerns empowering residents and making sure their voices are heard”.

He added: “This will drive better services and ensure residents have more choice and control.”

The paper was said to be a “new vision for social housing” and that this vision “values and respects the voices of residents”.

The idea of a national tenant representation was overwhelmingly supported in a poll undertaken by A Voice for Tenants Steering Group, which found 93% wanted this.

The Voice for Tenants steering group, which was set up in the aftermath of the fire at Grenfell, has also voiced concerns with the lack of progress.

The group have criticised Housing Minister Kit Malthouse for not responding to a letter they sent, but MHCLG have denied this, saying they replied back in February.

Responding to 24housing on the plans to drop the tenants’ voice group plan, an MHCLG spokesperson said the department remains “committed to engaging with, and listening to all, social housing tenants”.

They added: “Our consultation on social housing closed in November. We are considering submissions and will publish our response in due course.”

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longwayoff · 16/04/2019 18:14

Probation period? Really? Do they have to learn any circus tricks as well? Make sure they're suitably attired so as not to offend the eyes of the private buyers? Good grief.

AvengersAssemble · 16/04/2019 18:20

Think The Fire Brigade would be very interested in this, lifts have to be accessible to all residents going to all floors. Imagine if this turned into another Grenfell and only private residents were allowed to use the lift?

Softleftpowerstance · 16/04/2019 19:23

No one should be using the lift in a fire. Confused

weleasewoderick22 · 16/04/2019 19:42

Op, you are so right.

I rent from a housing association and I pay a service charge. I'm not in a flat, it's a house, but the charge is for grass cutting, litter picking etc.

If I see one more comment on how fucking grateful I should be I'll explode!! Please, if you don't know anything about it stop posting Angry

tenbob · 16/04/2019 21:15

Probation period? Really? Do they have to learn any circus tricks as well? Make sure they're suitably attired so as not to offend the eyes of the private buyers? Good grief

No, they have to pay rent on time, not display antisocial behaviour, abide by the tenancy agreement.

It’s pretty standard for new council and HA tenants to have a one year introductory tenancy, which can then be extended by another 6 months if necessary
Most are converted straight into a standard tenancy though
It doesn’t matter if they are moving into a 1960s tower block or fancy new build

longwayoff · 16/04/2019 22:20

Oh, I see, its part of the continuing deregulation of the housing market which is all working out terribly well isnt it. I've never heard of a probationary period for social housing. What happens if the tenant 'fails'? Two nations.

HelenaDove · 17/04/2019 02:07

"No, they have to pay rent on time, not display antisocial behaviour, abide by the tenancy agreement."

What makes you think that they automatically would do these things just because they rent.

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sluj · 17/04/2019 07:57

There is no expectation that a new tenant will fail the probationary period HelenaDove, who said that? However I work with social tenants and I estimate up to 25% of starter tenancies fail or need an extension. Mostly through rent arrears but some through ASB. Believe me, social landlords do everything they can to support them and make the tenancy succeed but some tenants just will not engage.

Most of the other 75% go on to have largely trouble free tenancies. Untroubled because the landlord is able to deal with their potentially horrendous neigjbours by ending their tenancy after the probation period.

marble11 · 17/04/2019 08:13

Please point me in the direction of free social housing. My council charge me monthly for my house. I pay full rent btw.

Ream1 · 11/05/2019 14:36

We are the family in this article. I can confirm by the end of the same business day the article went out in the Guardian and my MP pushed it on Twitter etc.. southern housing group quickly back tracked and gave us a 5 year tenancy. This week we've then finally got back to what this was originally about and achieved deadlines for planning to be legally complied with as they'd breached it with not providing a stop on the same lift to stop on the affordable rent floor nor provided the communal space for affordable rent tenants they were supposed to. I've applied for compensation for the housing association giving a factually inaccurate misleading quote to the newspaper as that led to lots of wrongful assumptions by some less than kind readers assuming there was more to it and we'd done anything wrong ..except champion our rights.
PS everyone in the affordable rent works and our household draw no benefits of any kind or working credits etc, and the "Affordable" rent is still 1k per month.. admittedly great for London but not cheap. We've lived in the local area over 20 years and waited Many years bidding for said flat.
Thanks to the kinder ones above

Iwantacookie · 11/05/2019 14:57

I wonder how the ha managed that before signing up tennents?
Yeah so there's your 19th floor flat btw you can use the lift. Good luck getting your sofa up the stairs Confused

HelenaDove · 11/05/2019 15:07

@Ream1 im pleased to hear it. Whether the HA are getting the rent via wages or benefits though they are still getting the money.

They should not be excercising class bias.

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longwayoff · 11/05/2019 17:03

Good news ream, best wishes to you and your family. I hope you will all be happy there.

Ream1 · 11/05/2019 17:26

✌️ thank u :)

Givem · 11/05/2019 17:38

It's a bit apartheid. Really make you feel like shit that you couldn't use the same lifts as the other residents.

Have they breached planning laws? Or Building Regs?

HelenaDove · 12/05/2019 17:07

Actor Bob Hoskins talking about development and regeneration in London. Also mentions social segregation. Filmed in 1982

twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1126499624032669698

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