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Social housing tenant says he is being punished for speaking to the Guardian.

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HelenaDove · 12/04/2019 16:34

amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/12/social-housing-tenant-punished-speaking-guardian?__twitter_impression=true

"Social tenant says he is being punished for speaking to the Guardian

Thomas Reames says Southern Housing extended probation period after he discussed segregated facilities

A social housing tenant with a heavily pregnant wife who spoke to the Guardian about segregated facilities in his block has said he’s being punished by his housing provider for doing so.

Thomas Reames, 42, was to sign a five-year tenancy agreement with social housing provider Southern Housing but days after the Guardian highlighted social tenants had no access to lifts in his block, he was told his probation period would have to be extended.

A housing officer from Southern Housing told Reames he would not be able to sign his tenancy agreement for his home in Legacy House, Hackney Wick, as expected because of separate allegations that were brought forward after he spoke to the Guardian. Reames said that the housing officer warned he and his family would be monitored over the next six months to see if he continues to follow the agreement in his tenancy but that if the provider was still unsatisfied he could lose his home

Reames said the sudden change came as a huge shock to him and his wife, who are expecting their fourth child. “All the indications before that was that we were signing that tenancy agreement, but that’s suddenly changed,” he said. “It’s a huge shock to us and it’s upsetting as this comes at a time when I’m expecting my fourth child in a few weeks.”

On 1 April, Reames told the Guardian that pregnant and disabled social housing tenants in his block, which is dominated by privately owned flats, are forced to use stairs to access their floor because the lift was designed to stop only on private floors.

London Legacy Development Corporation (LLDC), the planning authority, confirmed that after residents campaigned it is taking enforcement action over social tenants’ access to the lift.

Shortly after the Guardian article was published, Reames received an email that said due to a number of issues in the previous year, Southern Housing would be extending his probation period. Reames said the housing provider had not raised any issues with them in the previous 12 months

In the same email, Reames and his wife Taslima were told: “Please can you also ensure that your conduct over social media in regards to Legacy House matters is deemed as appropriate.”

Reames said residents have been trying to make Southern Housing aware of the developer’s planning breaches, the most significant being the lack of access to lifts for social housing tenants, but failed to get any support.

He added: “There now appears to be a campaign to attempt to bully residents into silence or encourage us to not chase up on these breaches or highlight them. Since the Guardian article on 1 April 2019, SHG [Southern Housing Group] commented to me on 3 April 2019 they are aware of the article and then on 9 April they instructed me not to talk about the breaches on social media, which quite frankly is disgusting.

Taslima Reames said: “As far as I was aware, I was expecting to sign this five-year tenancy agreement with Southern Housing, but after the article we were suddenly told about these complaints. It just feels like they are making something up to extend our probation period.

“I’m due to give birth in seven weeks and I don’t need this stress.”

Southern Housing is a major housing provider in Tower Hamlets, but the council declined to provide comment on the case.

Rabina Khan, a Liberal Democrat councillor in Tower Hamlets, said: “Who do Southern Housing think they are? The thought police? A social housing tenant exercises his democratic right to speak to the press about the social housing block he lives in then suddenly gets an email from his landlord informing him that he is being investigated for those comments?

She added: “What makes Southern Housing think they have any control whatsoever over what one of their tenants can say? Thomas has the right to speak to the press or anyone else for that matter.”

Chris Harris, executive director, customer services at Southern Housing, said: “It would not be right to discuss the specific details of a customer’s tenancy account. However, we can assure you that our communication with Mr Reames and Mrs Reames, which has been ongoing for some weeks, has nothing at all to do with any contact that Mr Reames may have had with the press.”

Harris added: “As an organisation, from time to time we remind residents that comments on social media should always be considerate as they are subject to the same laws that govern other forms of public behaviour. Southern Housing Group understands that frustrations about housing, neighbours and similar issues do sometimes boil over onto social media.

“We offer this advice as a matter of support and goodwill, although we recognise that it is not always perceived this way and perhaps we could phrase it better."

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Katterinaballerina · 14/04/2019 12:26

Or, governments have laid down legislation to force companies to include a % of affordable housing in all new developments. Affordable. If you have a household income of

Belleende · 14/04/2019 12:39

SOCIAL HOUSING IS NOT FREE. 'AFFORDABLE' HOUSING FOR A FAMILY WILL STILL BE £££ IN LONDON. WITHOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU WOULD HAVE NO TEACHERS, NURSES, CLEANERS, CARERS IN CITIES. IT IS A NECESSITY NOT A LUXURY. AS IS A LIFT IF YOU ARE WHEELCHAIR BOUND AND NOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR. AND THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THIS FAMILY HAS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

Belleende · 14/04/2019 12:41

Sorry for the caps but bits of this thread are like looking into the dark soul of the daily mail.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Katterinaballerina · 14/04/2019 12:41

I AGREE WITH HER! ^

Belleende · 14/04/2019 12:45

THANKS

sluj · 14/04/2019 13:19

www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/nov/18/who-lives-41-million-social-housing-homes-england-wales

According to this research from 2015, 3.3 million of the 4.1
million social renters claim housing benefit. There are some other interesting facts on there too but unfortunately it is all 4 years old.

safariboot · 14/04/2019 13:33

Lovely to see the first post, and many others, are basically that HA tenants should tolerate any shit thrown at them and are being uppity and entitled if they speak up.

There are reasons for separate facilities, the record from history is that separate is never equal, and there's a discussion to be had. But Southern Housing doesn't want to have the discussion. They're not prepared to defend their choice to not provide lift access - rather they are using intimidation in an attempt to shut the discussion down.

Badbilly · 14/04/2019 13:42

According to this research from 2015, 3.3 million of the 4.1
million social renters claim housing benefit. There are some other interesting facts on there too but unfortunately it is all 4 years old

In 2015 there were 1.69 million unemployed in the UK, so that figure shows that many people working still do not earn enough to afford housing, and so have to be subsidised. This is the problem with low wages, zero hours contacts etc, as it pushes the problem onto the government, and results in a wider pay gap.

There certainly are some strange attitudes on here, and it is no wonder that people living in social housing feel victimised.

tenbob · 14/04/2019 13:45

Sorry, am I missing something..?

Tenant claims his probation is being extended because of speaking to the media, with no other proof beyond ‘I spoke to the media and some weeks later I was told my probation was being extended’

HA reply that it’s nothinf to do with speaking to the media but because of other allegations made against them.
The HA aren’t allowed to name the allegations, but they can’t just make up that allegations have been made and lie to the press.
There will be a paper trail which will be audited - you don’t think the HA is full of worthy types who would happily whistle-blow if they thought the boss was blocking a tenancy agreement with invented allegations? Confused

This is like those stories where a parent claims social services is taking their child away because they sent them to school with the wrong shoes, and then it transpires the parent is a neglectful drug addict who has conveniently glossed over the decade-long intervention of child protection social workers when moaning to the press

Badbilly · 14/04/2019 14:13

Tenbob : Sorry, am I missing something..?

Shortly after the Guardian article was published, Reames received an email that said due to a number of issues in the previous year, Southern Housing would be extending his probation period. Reames said the housing provider had not raised any issues with them in the previous 12 months

You probably missed this bit.

tenbob · 14/04/2019 14:22

badbilly

And we know the HA policy is to raise issues as and when they occur, or to raise them ahead of the tenancy being finalised?
And we know the HA definitely didn’t raise anything or we just have the tenants word for it?

This is all very circumstantial, I still can’t see any evidence for wrong doing by the HA.

Badbilly · 14/04/2019 14:35

This is all very circumstantial, I still can’t see any evidence for wrong doing by the HA.

we just have the tenants word for it?

And we just have the HA word for it also?

Why do you choose to believe one over the other? I think your prejudice is showing.

I am taking a neutral stance, as there is obviously more going on than in that article, but the liberal Democrat councillor seemed to take a dim view, and the LLDC are issuing an enforcement order against the HA, who obviously haven't followed all the rules of planning, so don't seem to be as squeaky-clean as you suspect (" I still can't see any evidence of wrong doing by the HA" ) - did you miss that bit too?

tenbob · 14/04/2019 14:46

Why do you choose to believe one over the other?

Because HAs can’t just invent something and issue it to the press. It has to be factual and probably checked by a senior member of staff and/or a lawyer Confused

HAs are evil corporates. In my experience, people working for HAs and council housing departments are as right-on as they come.

I can just see it now...
“Janet, this is a bit odd. I’m supposed to be issuing a new tenancy agreement to that lovely, problem-free family in flat 12, but I’ve got an email here to say I should extend their probation”
“Ah yes, about that. They bitched about us to the press so we are denying them a tenancy”
“But Janet, they’ve got a new baby due in a few weeks”
“Correct, but you know how heartless we are and how much of a kick we get out of giving families anxiety about their housing conditions. And if anyone asks, we will just make up something about complaints from their neighbours about them”
“Ok, good idea. No one will ever appeal that decision and ask us to produce evidence of the complaints and when we received them”
“Great, we will definitely not get found out”

HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 15:32

@tenbob www.channel4.com/news/revealed-internal-emails-show-council-chaos-in-the-wake-of-grenfell-disaster

Curiouser and curiouser. I cant find my Dispatches thread from 25th March. Not on my watch list Not through google either, And not through MN advanced search.

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Badbilly · 14/04/2019 15:55

tenbob- then why didn't Janet make a fuss about the planning Regulations that the HA blatantly disregarded? And do you think a councillor would get involved if it was as you suggest? They would surely distance themselves from it if it was going to make them look stupid, or make some non-committal remark about "not being able to comment".

In the fullness of time I suppose we will see if the HA miraculously produces all these complaints they have made to the tenant over the last 12 months.

HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 16:09

It would appear it has been deleted. I have had trouble getting into my e mail account so didnt know.

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HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 16:22

Not the same thread but some of the same kinds of issues.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3304710-Dispatches-Getting-Rich-from-the-Housing-Crisis?pg=1

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DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 14/04/2019 17:21

My word, the arsehole soup is particularly rich and chunky today. The number of children has NOTHING to do with the fact that the landlords are behaving illegally, and then compounding it by acting as twats when a tenant points it out.

BishopBrennansArse · 14/04/2019 17:25

This is the same housing association that left us with a dangerous boiler for 6 years and then left us got a whole weekend with no running water. Not at all surprised.

HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 17:33

Bishop i remember your thread about it.

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BishopBrennansArse · 14/04/2019 17:34

Do you remember the people on there also telling me to quit whinging because I had a free house too?

HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 17:48

oh yes. my memory is very good.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/04/2019 18:19

Who is the landlord though?

MsChookandtheelvesofFahFah · 14/04/2019 19:53

The attitude of some posters towards people less well off than themselves is an eye-opener sometimes. You go through life thinking that the majority of people are normal then bam! you read some really ignorant and unreal posts. Depressing.

HelenaDove · 14/04/2019 19:56

Yep From another thread.

HelenaDove Sun 14-Apr-19 19:07:41

@Kazzyhoward do you have a link to back up your claims about Grenfell residents on page 1
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Kazzyhoward Sun 14-Apr-19 19:30:48

Kazzyhoward do you have a link to back up your claims about Grenfell residents on page 1

Just google "grenfell tower fraud" and "grenfell tower illegal subletting" - lots of links to various cases.
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Puzzledandpissedoff Sun 14-Apr-19 19:37:10

I've no idea how true any of this is, but on the Grenfell fraud thing, there's a list of names and brief info on here (ITV had one too, but it was very short on detail):

talkradio.co.uk/features/grenfell-fraudsters-who-are-people-who-falsely-profited-tragedy-18092228023
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HelenaDove Sun 14-Apr-19 19:40:38

He claimed to live in the tower when he didnt He was not a resident. Which was WHY he was charged with fraud. BECAUSE he was not a resident.

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