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Trigger warning * death rattle - please talk to me

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TryingSoVeryHard · 21/02/2019 01:06

NC'd for this as details are identifying. Please be kind. I've gone down a route that I know many wouldn't have chosen. Please don't tell me to go home. This is the most horrific night of my life.
My DF has been ill in a nursing home for four years with Parkinson's and dementia. A year ago DM with exactly the same conditions moved to the same nursing home after a few months of refusing to eat. DF was rapidly declining and she found it unbearable. She died 3 weeks later last March - we knew the day before that she was in the end of life stage and I stayed in her room overnight at the nursing home and was there when she died. I am very close to both parents so obviously it was extremely upsetting but I was glad I was able to be there and comfort her in her final moments.
By any standard DF should have died 18 months ago. His condition is heartbreaking. He's skeletal, cannot move, cannot communicate, bed bound, etc. Many times we've been told he's probably only got a few days but every time he shocks everyone.
As of last Sunday there is no doubt. He's at end of life. I've wanted this - he's suffered so very much and has zero quality- it's 100% what he'd want. He is the most lovely man - the staff all adore him. I hoped that after four years of suffering that his end would be peaceful and comfortable. I've been here since Sunday, staying in his room to comfort him. It's the least I can do for such a wonderful DF.
It is the absolute opposite of peaceful. He's got a syringe driver since Monday delivering end of life comfort meds - for secretions, sedative and morphine.
Since this afternoon he has the death rattle. He is distressed. That SOUND. Until you've heard it you have no idea. It's utterly horrific. I can't bear it. He's had top up injections. Nothing is touching the death rattle. I feel so selfish in saying I am sat here with earplugs in and music trying to drown out the death rattle but I can hear every rattle non stop. I am holding his hand and talking to him. He's clutching my hand tightly. I don't know what to do. I can't leave him and I won't leave him but I am so traumatised. This is Day 4 and the other days have had their moments but generally been ok and suffering has calmed. This is not improving. The rattle is horrific - I simply don't know what to do with myself while watching someone I love so much die in this terrible state. I need to find a way to cope. The nurse can't help - he's at max of all meds and is just one of the unfortunates whose end of life symptoms aren't controlled.
It's the sound. Without the sound I could cope. Please, any suggestions to help me stay strong.

OP posts:
Devondreamer · 21/02/2019 10:04

You are being amazingly strong and doing your utmost for your df. You may find that his breathing becomes fast and shallow just before he passes. This is what happened to my dad after the death rattle. Looking back I was so pleased I stayed with my dad in his final days and talked to him throughout. In time I hope this will bring you some comfort too. I am so sorry that your dad is at the end of this life Xx

marvellousnightforamooncup · 21/02/2019 10:19

Another hand hold. I lost DM last year to cancer. She had pneumonia in her final week. It's truly horrible to see a loved one going through this and my thoughts are with you.

It helped me to know my brother was with her when she died and I had been with her in the hospital too the day or so before. We were taking it in turns. It helped my feelings of bereavement knowing we had done all we could and she wasn't alone at all through her illness. I hope your being with him helps you similarly.

WitchDancer · 21/02/2019 10:21

Another hand to hold here.

TryingSoVeryHard · 21/02/2019 10:26

I'm still here. I got some sleep around 4am. I've read every comment and wish I had time to respond to everyone. It's all so appreciated and helping me stay strong. I read them crying because I felt like I have you here.
Dad is still rattling although his breathing is steady. The rattle started Monday - my husband did 2 x 40 minute round trips at 8pm to collect a syringe driver from a hospice who agreed to loan one as the nursing home's ones turned out to be in use. The first time they forgot to give him the lock so he had to go back!
The rattle comes and goes in volume. Dr is coming later just to review and I'll ask what they can do. Hadn't heard about suction but I'll ask.
The Dr felt it would be quicker from Monday's signs, and yesterday evening his breathing was very erratic between 5 and 8pm but then steadied. He's really really fighting and I know he wouldn't - I think it's his instinct. He grew up in tough circumstances and I think his sport background has made him have unbelievable endurance.
He's a retired greengrocer - back from the old days before most such shops were lost to supermarkets. His was hugely popular - a very personal service.
I don't really have anyone to share a rota with. My brother is in Spain but has mental health issues and addictions to prescription sleeping pills. He was in uk by chance when DM passed and behaved dreadfully - he couldn't cope at all. He threw water in her face and kept shaking her. The Dr had to threaten to call police if he didn't stop manhandling her. My brother popped out for half hour and she passed away. He's asked not to know with Dad as he's not in control of his behaviour, wouldn't try to travel as he'd be in a state and wouldn't be able to cope with the stress of waiting if I told him. He's been v clear with this and I know I have to respect it as he'd be a lot to cope with. But I held it together and phoned him yesterday for 'a catch up' explaining I was sat with Dad so put him on speakerphone to talk to Dad and he told Dad he loves him. I thought Dad might need to hear his voice and might be waiting. DB didn't suspect a thing as Dad can't usually speak anyway and I made myself sound jolly.
He's comfortable today but v rattly. They won't do suction as they said it's very far down the rattle and would be distressing. Off for a shower now in dad's bathroom.
We're listening to Sinatra currently.
Thank you all.

OP posts:
TryingSoVeryHard · 21/02/2019 10:30

So many of you have been through similar or going through it now. ThanksThanksThanks to you all.
I know staying is not got everyone but aside from the comfort of him not being alone I feel I'm helping practically because when he shows signs of suffering I'm "on it" hence DH's trips to the hospice for equipment. That wouldn't have happened till next day if I wasn't here. It's me who reports to nurses and asks for top up meds when needed. He had top up morphine yesterday as I could see he was in pain as I know him so well.

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TSSDNCOP · 21/02/2019 10:32

Your words have touched me OP, I sat with my dad in his final days and hours and you can’t go through that unchanged. Take comfort that because of you, your father will be loved right to his end. It is the greatest gift you can give him.

justilou1 · 21/02/2019 10:58

Oh you poor thing! I have been through this three times now. (GM, DD, DM. - GM was waiting for uncle to return from overseas and took 3 weeks longer than predicted, the tough old duck!) It’s much more distressing for us than them, I believe. That sound will stay with you for a long while, and I think counselling is a very smart choice! I wish I could give you a big hug. Your DF sounds like a fabulous man and he knows you’re there with him. I look around at all the crap in the daily fail with the WAGS and their STUFF and the brand name THINGS and think I bet they won’t be thinking about all of that at times like this. Your DF has what really matters.

FrozenMargarita17 · 21/02/2019 11:09

Just a hand hold for you here OP Thanks

spiderlight · 21/02/2019 11:11

I am so very sorry - my heart truly does go out to you. I sat and held my beloved father's hand while he died in December. We had been waiting for it since late October; he kept rallying, surprising everyone and then declining again, and it was the most excruciating roller-coaster of emotions for us all. Mercifully he went very peacefully at the very end, and like you I had wonderful nursing home staff who held me together and let me sit with him all day after he'd died. It is so very, very hard though, and from a place of compassion I hope you don't have to endure it for too much longer.

I'm not sure if anyone has linked to it already, but there are some wonderful people on this thread who will hold your hand now and afterwards. Flowers

MrsCat1 · 21/02/2019 11:15

Your post moved me to tears. Holding your hand and hoping this will soon pass. Stay strong. 💐

CormoranStrike · 21/02/2019 11:15

I’ve been where you are too, it is so difficult.

Are you getting time away from his bedside at all?

It is amazing how many people wait till their family are gone before slipping away - certainly my dad did.

MrsTommyBanks · 21/02/2019 11:17

I was in the same situation with my DGM in October.
Thinking of you and your DF, praying for strength for you and peace for your Dad Flowers

ImNotKitten · 21/02/2019 11:19

Sending love to you and your dad Flowers

StarJumpsandaHalf · 21/02/2019 11:20

Trying I’m afraid I don’t have any words of wisdom to share, but having read your posts I want to send strength and love your way 💐

Alsohuman · 21/02/2019 11:34

Just dropped in to see if there’s any news. Hope you’re either asleep or that the end has come peacefully. I continue to think of you. Stay strong, you’re doing a fantastic job. 💐

Hippywannabe · 21/02/2019 11:36

Sending a hug and thoughts. I was with my Dad and the sound of the rattle haunted me for a very long time.

ineedaholidaynow · 21/02/2019 11:47

Sending a hug Flowers

cjt110 · 21/02/2019 11:51

I have no words. Just sending kind thoughts of comfort to you and your DF Flowers

TryingSoVeryHard · 21/02/2019 12:08

Thank you all, we are still here.
I have been walking away - to shower or get drinks. At first I didn't like doing that but now I feel if he goes while I've popped out that was his choice.
I'm really comforted by all the support, thank you

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exitlight · 21/02/2019 12:18

You’re doing so, so well.
Handhold and Flowers

Defenbaker · 21/02/2019 12:18

OP, I went through something similar when my DM passed away, although fortunately it was only for a few hours, not days. Just before the end she fell into a lovely peaceful sleep, then within the hour she slipped away. I wasn't in the room when it happened, but her face looked so peaceful just afterwards that I feel she just sank deeper into sleep and drifted away. I hope it will be similar for your DF, he sounds like a lovely man and you are being a fantastic daughter, steadfast to the end.

Well done OP, it doesn't get tougher than this.

pullingmyhairout2 · 21/02/2019 12:38

So sorry you are going through this, I lost my dad on New years eve and know what a horrible thing it is. Thankfully he was quick with his passing, but the waiting felt endless. In some ways you feel guilty for wanting them to take that final breath but only because you know it will ease their suffering, then in other ways you wish you could keep them there forever.
Hugs for you and I hope he passes peacefully.xx

Alsohuman · 21/02/2019 12:41

If the sun’s shining as brightly where you are as it is here, pop outside and drink it up for five minutes. It will do you the world of good. It’s so very hard.

Wellshit · 21/02/2019 12:44

Handheld for you here. I don't know what it's like, but it's got me crying. Sounds like a beautiful father daughter relationship. I feel I need to ring my dad now, just to tell him I love him. Flowers for you and hugs.

Chimmychunga · 21/02/2019 12:47

Oh darling. My heart goes out to you. Sending a huge hug your way.

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