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Trigger warning * death rattle - please talk to me

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TryingSoVeryHard · 21/02/2019 01:06

NC'd for this as details are identifying. Please be kind. I've gone down a route that I know many wouldn't have chosen. Please don't tell me to go home. This is the most horrific night of my life.
My DF has been ill in a nursing home for four years with Parkinson's and dementia. A year ago DM with exactly the same conditions moved to the same nursing home after a few months of refusing to eat. DF was rapidly declining and she found it unbearable. She died 3 weeks later last March - we knew the day before that she was in the end of life stage and I stayed in her room overnight at the nursing home and was there when she died. I am very close to both parents so obviously it was extremely upsetting but I was glad I was able to be there and comfort her in her final moments.
By any standard DF should have died 18 months ago. His condition is heartbreaking. He's skeletal, cannot move, cannot communicate, bed bound, etc. Many times we've been told he's probably only got a few days but every time he shocks everyone.
As of last Sunday there is no doubt. He's at end of life. I've wanted this - he's suffered so very much and has zero quality- it's 100% what he'd want. He is the most lovely man - the staff all adore him. I hoped that after four years of suffering that his end would be peaceful and comfortable. I've been here since Sunday, staying in his room to comfort him. It's the least I can do for such a wonderful DF.
It is the absolute opposite of peaceful. He's got a syringe driver since Monday delivering end of life comfort meds - for secretions, sedative and morphine.
Since this afternoon he has the death rattle. He is distressed. That SOUND. Until you've heard it you have no idea. It's utterly horrific. I can't bear it. He's had top up injections. Nothing is touching the death rattle. I feel so selfish in saying I am sat here with earplugs in and music trying to drown out the death rattle but I can hear every rattle non stop. I am holding his hand and talking to him. He's clutching my hand tightly. I don't know what to do. I can't leave him and I won't leave him but I am so traumatised. This is Day 4 and the other days have had their moments but generally been ok and suffering has calmed. This is not improving. The rattle is horrific - I simply don't know what to do with myself while watching someone I love so much die in this terrible state. I need to find a way to cope. The nurse can't help - he's at max of all meds and is just one of the unfortunates whose end of life symptoms aren't controlled.
It's the sound. Without the sound I could cope. Please, any suggestions to help me stay strong.

OP posts:
UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 21/02/2019 04:35

Another one here thinking of you in the darkest hours.

littlemissalwaystired · 21/02/2019 04:48

Sending you and your dad so much love during this difficult time. You sound like the kindest, most amazing daughter - how lucky for him to depart this earth knowing how loved he is. Take care of yourselfThanks

Seahorseshoe · 21/02/2019 04:51

Oh lovely - I hear you. I sat with my DF as he was dying. I have to admit, I left the room and went home straight away after he had passed. It took all my strength not to leave whilst he was struggling. Once I knew he'd gone, I was out of there. I have no regrets on that front, looking back, I'm glad I stayed.

Try and step out if you need too, even on a chair, outside the door for a breather, a break.

You sound like a brilliant daughter.

It's not easy. 💐💐💐 x

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/02/2019 05:18

When my father died I thought the rattle was to do with having cancer, which had spread to his lungs causing secondary lung cancer. I was a child at the time. I actually find the sound comforting as it means the person is near the end and will soon be released from their suffering. Idk if you could reframe your feelings in this way.

I’m so sorry you’re suffering. The waiting is the worse bit as you know. I hope you’ve managed to get a little sleep. flowers]

Shoveitupyourbum · 21/02/2019 05:39

Thinking of you. You sound like a lovely daughter Flowers

FenellaMaxwell · 21/02/2019 05:45

Sending you strength. He’ll be at peace soon, and it really won’t be distressing him now. Flowers

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/02/2019 06:04

Another random stranger wanting to reassure you that your DF will be totally unaware of the rattle. He's so relaxed that he can't be bothered to clear his throat.

Hang in there

MyOtherProfile · 21/02/2019 06:08

So sorry. So lovely your df has you there.

StealthPolarBear · 21/02/2019 06:14

Oh op how awful for you. I hope this ends soon. Your dad sounds wonderful x

OrdinaryGirl · 21/02/2019 06:15

Hand to hold here OP too.
Thinking of you. Awful lot of Mumsnetters at your side in the aether. 💗

Springwalk · 21/02/2019 06:34

My heart goes out to you and to your df. Play music and do whatever you need to do to get through this.
I am so sorry.
Flowers

itshappened · 21/02/2019 06:37

Hope you managed to get some rest. I also found it distressing hearing the death rattle when my dad died. He was groaning and I thought this was because he was in pain and was also frightened, despite the syringe driver pumping him full of the end of life medication. I have since read Kathyrn mannix's book 'with the end in mind', and found her description of the stages of dying very reassuring. She would suggest that your father is unconscious and totally unaware of needing to swallow.

Anyway I hope your father drifts off gently this morning with you by his side. Be kind to yourself, losing parents is a terrible thing to go through no matter what age we are.

frumpety · 21/02/2019 06:39

So sorry you and your Father are going through this Flowers

It might be worth asking the nurse if she can contact the GP this morning and see about increasing doses in the driver or changing to other medications, if you are concerned that he is distressed at all. It is very unlikely he will be.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 21/02/2019 06:41

Oh my goodness, I am so sorry, sat here with tears rolling.

I hope you and your dad had a few hours peace last night and neither of you have to ensure this for much longer. 💐

isthismylifenow · 21/02/2019 06:43

I am so sorry Trying.

Thoughts with you. It seems you have a very special bond with your father and this is heartbreaking to read so I can only begin to imagine what you are going through.

Flowers
LadyOfTheCanyon · 21/02/2019 06:43

Oh my love. Hang in there. You're doing a wonderful thing, even though you feel like it could end you. I was there when my Father died so I know some of what you're going through.

They are there for us at the start of our lives and we are there at the end of theirs. It's a big old circle.

They say hearing is the last sense to go, so talk to him if you can, he'll know you're there on some level.

Sending you love.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 21/02/2019 06:46

Another randomer thinking of you. I was with the MacMillan angel when mum went. Luckily the injection calmed the rattle, but other things made it hard to be in the room. It feels like eternity, but he'll be peaceful soon. You take care of yourself. I ŵent home, had a hot shower, a walk, coffee and cake, then slept for hours. Xxx

MakeItAmazing · 21/02/2019 06:51

I'm so sorry for you.

Some of these posts have had me in tears.

I don't have parents but I'm pleased for all that do even though it's heart breaking that you've lost them.

Take care of yourselves Flowers

Damnpeskykids · 21/02/2019 06:54

Oh @TryingSoVeryHard I'm sat here in tears after reading your post, sending a virtual handhold & hug to you. I lost my mum nearly 3 years ago the night she died she had the rattle (she had terminal lung cancer so wasn't unusual to hear coughs/rattles etc) but this was different. I went in a few times to check on her in the night & when I went in about 5.30 she'd passed not long before.
I truly hope your dad passes peacefully soon for you, it's so hard.
And thankyou @Changedmename1234 for your post can't explain how it's helped me understand xx

cantstopeating01 · 21/02/2019 07:00

Good morning Trying. I have been there too in similar circumstances and I found it all so traumatic and I had my brother with me while my dad went through what your dad did . In the nicest possible way I hope the dawn has led your dad to a peaceful passing. It often does.

I felt I needed counselling too after it but I never got it . You please do and talk to someone about it . Will think of you today x

TheJobNeverEnded · 21/02/2019 07:00

Flowers I am so sorry for you and your poor Dad.

Sitting watching a loved one die like that is horrific. I don't think that it can be conveyed to anyone who hasn't been through it.

My Mum died in similar circumstances surrounded by her children and we told her it was okay to go and unbelievably she did.

I truly hope that this will be short lived for you.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/02/2019 07:09

I'm so sorry op. My thoughts are with you. Your dad is lucky to have such a wonderful daughter. Flowers
I was with my mum when she passed away. Being devastated goes with out saying. However it was also a relief. Also the feeling of peace and tranquility in the room after her passing was indescribable. It seems very odd to say it, about the time you lost your mum, but. I wish I could bottle up that feeling

notyourmummy · 21/02/2019 07:10

Thinking of you and your dad, he will know you're there and will be comforted by it, even though it's so distressing for you.

Flowerypig · 21/02/2019 07:21

I’m so sorry to hear you and your dad are going through this. My dad passed at end of october with pneumonia due to his psp ( a Parkinson type disease). He had the rattle despite syringe drivers and suction and everything. He died at home with me, my mum and brother there. Is just so so hard. I know he was aware we were there- and i’m Sure your dad is too. I hope he’s able to pass peacefully knowing you’re there supporting him. Sending love.

imanoldbattleaxe · 21/02/2019 07:24

No words except I'm sorry you're going through this, what a lovely thing to do for your father though. He will leave one woman he loves to join another xx

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