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Abducted in plain sight!!

66 replies

Whatthefunk · 08/02/2019 23:11

Has anyone else watched this?? What a feckin shit show!! They left it 3 days before they raised the alarm?? Crazy

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Onceuponacheesecake · 09/02/2019 18:02

@Soubriquet Netflix

The parents are a complete joke. So after the first kidnapping they agreed to let him stay in their daughters room even though they said it made them "uncomfortable" but it was part of his "therapy" just what??

I guess so much of it does seem alien to a modern world as we don't really have the sense of community they did back then, so I can see why it didn't raise alarm bells immediately that he was spending so much time with them. Even the sane FBI guy admitted peadophile wasn't a word they even used back then. But her parents where clueless. FBI man had to spell it out to the mother that her daughter had been kidnapped.

lyralalala · 09/02/2019 18:08

It really was shocking.

The naivety of the parents was something else. Their church had a lot to play in that situation as well imo - sending the guy to 'therapists' and assisting him to move around despite knowing he spent a year in prison. The fact they stood by and watched him befriend a family with only daughters is disgusting.

The mother in particular was something else. Having an affair with the man who'd tried to marry her 12yo daughter?

Plus I think it says a lot that the mother wrote the first book. Not the girl. Her Mum. It wasn't her story to tell.

Didyeeaye · 09/02/2019 19:02

I agree the parents should have also been jailed as they have neglected to keep her safe and put her in harms way more than once! Her mum was particularly disturbing. What a stupid, pathetic, selish woman. Poor Jan

AliyyaJann · 09/02/2019 19:16

His brother knew he was a paedophile from a young age.

Jan was posing in a provocative manner and the parents didn't even raise an eyebrow.

AliyyaJann · 09/02/2019 19:25

The dad gave him a hand job!!! Jesus Christ

BearSoFair · 09/02/2019 19:28

I watched it in the week, I had to keep reminding myself that it was real because there were so many moments that you wouldn't think could actually happen. I think I actually shouted "again?!" when she went missing the second time. If I was Jan I'm not sure I'd ever be able to trust my parents again.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 09/02/2019 19:46

Nobody will ever convince me that the parents were not in on it.

He wooed them to an extent where they let him rape their daughters to keep him happy.

AliyyaJann · 09/02/2019 19:52

Parents are really messed up. Stupid people

Onceuponacheesecake · 09/02/2019 19:55

Apparently Jan has spoke out and defended her parents and said that her parents saved her life and are the bravest people she knows. Jan has been through a lot but obviously had a very skewed perception. Her parents were negligent.

One of her sister seems to grasp it slightly better saying get parents deny deny deny as they can't deal with the reality of what they allowed to happen.

I can't agree that her parents were simply groomed. They basically enabled the whole thing from a certain point.

Somethingsmellsnice · 09/02/2019 19:58

And they let him sleep in 13 year old Jan's bed 4 times a week to help his therapy!!!

Seriously the parents should have been prosecuted for neglect!!

Contraceptionismyfriend · 09/02/2019 20:00

With all due respect to Jan and what she survived. She is not a reliable person on the judgment of a trusted adult front.

Out of the three main adults in her lie one was raping her. Of course the other two don't look THAT bad....

Snowmaggedon · 09/02/2019 20:15

I think the father in the car comment is illustration of how manipulative this Man is.

The way he cried...etc. the mum! Awful awful! The fact they let him back in when he only got off because of the statements they signed!! The bizarre phone calls mum and b had later on...as if they were the parents...all bizarre

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 09/02/2019 20:33

I can't agree that her parents were simply groomed. They basically enabled the whole thing from a certain point.

Well yes, but that is the whole objective of grooming. Being groomed does not mean you have no idea that abuse is going on. It is about manipulating people to either turn a blind eye and/or facilitate the abuse by putting them into psychologically stressful situations that inhibit their rational response or force them into self preservation behaviours.

Of course none of it absolves the parents of their poor (and abusive) choices. They are culpable and their behaviour directly assisted that man to brainwash and rape their daughter under their own roof, however, I think the fact that they were initially so naive as to this kind of behaviour even being possible somewhat contributed to that.

Snowmaggedon · 09/02/2019 21:59

Yy lugg

Sarahjconnor · 10/02/2019 21:13

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AnnieHawk · 10/02/2019 21:35

I sat and watched the entire thing open-mouthed. I couldn't honestly believe that the parents had left all that time before reporting their daughter missing - but then I couldn't believe that the daughter had been so brainwashed.

The strongest feeling I came away with was that if the story had been presented as fiction we would all be saying it was unbelievably farfetched.

hazeydays14 · 10/02/2019 21:46

The documentary skimmed over both the families involvement with LDS church. I’m certainly no expert, however I read a book about a crime which involved Mormons and went into the history of the religion. Young women marrying much older men was not unusual in the community.

I think their religious beliefs along with naivety and denial allowed a probably charismatic man unsupervised access to their vulnerable young daughter. If I was Jan I would never be able to forgive those who should protect her for their absolute idiocy.

lyralalala · 11/02/2019 01:10

@hazeydays14

Especially when you consider the fact the church sent him to the therapy... Also the church were aware he’d spent a year in prison, and why, yet they said nothing when he befriended a family with multiple young daughters. Not even after the first abduction.

7salmonswimming · 11/02/2019 01:47

Even making allowances for the religious element, the backwater small community, the 1970s innocence (although really? an FBI agent who hadn’t heard of paedophilia in the 70s?), there’s something more to this story. It just doesn’t add up that Jan aged 12 could have been taken to an unknown place by a close family friend for weeks on end, with no communication with her family, hunted by the FBI, ending up “married” in Mexico, and then for the parents to keep this man in their lives while Jan is spouting stuff about how she really does want to be married to him. It just doesn’t add up.

Grooming and manipulating can’t go that far, surely? They’re not so stupid, are they? No parent of 3 can be that stupid.

He held more than a homosexual encounter and an affair over them. They basically pimped their daughter out to them. It was either a church thing (they were seeking religious nirvana through sacrificing their daughter) or there was dirty money involved.

The only credible part to me was when Jan was relating the story about how her dad held his family in his arms while his flower shop was burning, telling them they were all he needed in his life. I believed her totally. But those are the words of a man on his knees, with nothing left in his life other than his family. Not of a man who’s seeing his business premises aflame and thinking of the hassle of putting in an insurance claim before he can get on with his life. If he had really been in his knees by Jan’s disappearances, wtf was he doing letting the man in their lives after the first kidnapping?

It’s all so messed up and so incomplete.

psychedelicleggings · 11/02/2019 03:38

I'm watching it now. Here's my take: the father is a homosexual man who prostituted the daughter in return for a sexual relationship with the rapist. I'm not entirely sure why the mother allowed and encouraged it but there is no doubt that they were all aware of what was happening. NO ONE is that naive. They allowed that man access to their child over and over and over again. It's not clear if she still talks to her pimps... er... parents?

That poor girl/woman.

psychedelicleggings · 11/02/2019 03:45

Omfg!!! I've just got to the bit where the mother admits to being in love with the man who raped her daughter...

These 'parents' should be in freaking prison! I'm just gobsmacked! Jan has been so manipulated by everyone she's supposed to trust.

The parents are flat out, selfish, narcissistic, self indulgent assholes. Grrrr.

CallMeRachel · 11/02/2019 04:19

I think he used the hand job from Jans father as a silencer and lever to get close to his daughter. The fathers guilt stopped him from doing the right thing, fearing being shamed by the church.

The mother shagging him also, I was confused as to when this was going on but all I could think was how alarmingly manipulative that man must have been to be able to control a whole family like that.

serenawren · 11/02/2019 04:40

The mum being all swoony when talking about an encounter about her daughter's rapist 🤮🤮

Shoxfordian · 11/02/2019 05:16

It was such a crazy story. I wanted to know more about B's wife, she went and convinced the parents to drop charges but its not clear why she would do that and not divorce him. I know it was a religious community but surely his actions were unforgivable.

lyralalala · 11/02/2019 05:21

It was such a crazy story. I wanted to know more about B's wife, she went and convinced the parents to drop charges but its not clear why she would do that and not divorce him. I know it was a religious community but surely his actions were unforgivable.

It was mentioned that B's wife was a fair chunk younger than him, so probably another of his victims.